Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output

[mdlarouche]

If this fuel cell makes 5 - 6 liters per minute you got to wonder. If the motor was 125 cc which might be close but I'm just guessing on that number, then do the math 125cc x 250 rpm(just another guess) = 31250 cc... divide by a thousand to get liters...31.250.

I know there is something a little more complex here than just these simple volumes. When HHO is burned it unites the oxygen and hydrogen to create water and then the heat from the reaction instantly boils the water and the resultant expansion of water to a gas is what turns the whole thing... and yes the force of the flame propagation and the heat not used to boil the water continues to add additional effect to the reciprocating assembly and it would take pages of description and calculations to put the whole picture in place but I guess the main point is this.... the volume needed to fill the cylinder prior to combustion is nearly six times what the numbers above tell us is needed.

I'd like to think this is not faked somehow but like others have said... better descriptions are needed along with some examination by reputable sources before I will give it creedence.

Keep working though everyone...I'm hoping someone will finally put the proof out in a manner that cannot be disproved or argued against.

[dasimpson]

ou isent the point the point is we are using somthing that falls from the sky and costs nothing per gallon over a generator that uses a fuel that costs £5 a gallon if this gen dose give him 400watt and all he adds is water something that as free as long as you payback what it cost to build with run time then thats ou in my eyes

[dasimpson]

i have tried this my self with a 50cc 2 stroke engine and could never get enoth gas to run maybe 2 stroke engine is the wrong way to go or i need to change the timeing but when an engine is run from pre bottle hadragen it ran with no modifications so i dont think timeing is the problem

[mdlarouche]

Timing shouldn't matter... at least when you are talking about advanced timing and that sort of thing. Advanced timing as it pertains to gasoline engines is because of it's octane rating. I don't recall the rating of gasoline in particular but hydrogen has an octane rating of 130 which is the highest of all fuels. It will not cause the common "knocking" that is associated with other fuels if they aren't manged with their timing to prevent this condition. The mechanical timing on the other hand should be set to bottom top dead center. If the engine is new and assembled that is the way it would be set... If you're assembling an engine that has been disassembled it simply means to have the piston at the top of the cylinder during the compression cycle when the valves are closed and with the rotations of the crankshaft so that the piston has just begun to move in the downward direction. This is the point where the spark plug fires... pushing the piston down and finishing off with the next... exhaust stroke

As for the issue of two stroke vs. four stroke... a two stoke needs to be lubricated by oil carried in the fuel mixture or it will seize up and except for maybe a little experimentation... it shouldn't be used long term because it will ultimately fail. You might be able to go to the extra length of using a two stroke with an oil injection system like they use in some motocross motorcycles but it would be to the detriment of still polluting the air.

As for something else I read in another thread... to clear things up a little, hydrogen does not produce any hyrocarbons but does in some circumstances produce nitrides.

[bolt]

You need power to start the process and a cell which can handle at least 1kw. This rules out 95% of the shabby DIY builds made from SS scraps.

1Kw at 13.2 volts = 75 amps! Throwing caution to the wind the cell has got to manage at least 50 amps to get enough power into the engine to run it. So if you got 4 plates hanging off a coat hanger inside a cookie jar,  using Bi Carb as electrolite and pushing 3-5 amps from a flat car battery then no you havent got a chance in hell.

AND the timing changes,  4 stroke skip spark is VITAL. Inlet valve already open 2 degrees when crank TDC if you just advance ignition = BAANGGGGGGGGG! You just found out your bubbler doesnt work too  good:)

Oh and timing does matter ..a lot. Why do you think they went to all that trouble modifying it and using plastic cogs?