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Overunity Machines Forum



Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output

Started by hartiberlin, December 23, 2010, 10:34:37 AM

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dasimpson

some one said delaying the spark dosent work that just bs
what you think  moveing the mag or pick up point of the ignition system dose
you are infact dealying the spark by moveing the points etc
so sorm sort of circuit to do this would work just as well

mdlarouche

Quote from: dasimpson on December 29, 2010, 08:44:41 AM
some one said delaying the spark dosent work that just bs
what you think  moveing the mag or pick up point of the ignition system dose
you are infact dealying the spark by moveing the points etc
so sorm sort of circuit to do this would work just as well

I'm not sure weather that is in relation to a comment I posted but I thought I'll add this. The reason that you have the ability to change the electronic timing on an engine is to prevent engine knock... it has to do with the octane of gasoline. If the compression ratio is too high you get knock. If you set the spark to a point in the timing when full compression has not been reached then knock is eliminated because by the time that point is reached some of the fuel has been burned and some heat has been released to create better conditions for the remainder of the fuel mixture to burn more efficiently. 

Hydrogen of all fuels has the highest octane rating and is immune to causing engine knock so it is really unnecessary.  If there is any other reason for changing the timing in this manner... I don't see it but hey... I don't know everything. My dad is a mechanic of fifty years so I have learned from one of the best!

dasimpson

Quote from: mdlarouche on December 29, 2010, 09:20:06 AM
I'm not sure weather that is in relation to a comment I posted but I thought I'll add this. The reason that you have the ability to change the electronic timing on an engine is to prevent engine knock... it has to do with the octane of gasoline. If the compression ratio is too high you get knock. If you set the spark to a point in the timing when full compression has not been reached then knock is eliminated because by the time that point is reached some of the fuel has been burned and some heat has been released to create better conditions for the remainder of the fuel mixture to burn more efficiently. 

Hydrogen of all fuels has the highest octane rating and is immune to causing engine knock so it is really unnecessary.  If there is any other reason for changing the timing in this manner... I don't see it but hey... I don't know everything. My dad is a mechanic of fifty years so I have learned from one of the best!
yeah same for my father but i always thoght if it nocked you ajusted further past tdc been awhile since i done this so can not remeber exactly

mdlarouche

Quote from: dasimpson on December 29, 2010, 09:22:29 AM
yeah same for my father but i always thoght if it nocked you ajusted further past tdc been awhile since i done this so can not remeber exactly

Actually I think you are right on that one...after tdc for knock and if you go before tdc it is simply because when you installed your rotor you might have been off a tooth. It would still run but would idle roughly. The only other situation where I think the electronic timing would come in play is on an engine  that was built using lean burn technology... Chrysler was big on this in the eighties.

dasimpson

Quote from: mdlarouche on December 29, 2010, 09:35:18 AM
Actually I think you are right on that one...after tdc for knock and if you go before tdc it is simply because when you installed your rotor you might have been off a tooth. It would still run but would idle roughly. The only other situation where I think the electronic timing would come in play is on an engine  that was built using lean burn technology... Chrysler was big on this in the eighties.

it also all depends on the rpm the engine is at as the rpm changed so dose the point of ignition and the length of combustion man i forgot how complercated tuning engines was