Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output

[Marshallin]

Mashallin,

Again and again I keep telling you to do some reading first.... 

Hi,

Issue is that throught first reading i was not able found answers to my basic stupid questions. I will read it again at night. You write a lot of about timing and injecting, but for me are right now important two questions.

What motor is suitable for reworking and what motor are not? What motor systems are easies to rework?
How much HHO i will need to run it (no closed loop, at first i want just run it)? Is there any formula?

This small-one electrolyser produce aproximatly 1+ LPM HHO and was was powering it with 40w power supply. But in reality it consume less ...
There is still issue with large bubles, but i will order for it some ultrasonic tranducer to make buble flow more fluid, so i get rid of current spikes (big bouble mess up with capacity ... my cell si woking like water capactior). But looks like i will need to make new one anyway.
So this production is realy small if i compare it to yours. So no chance to run big motor. Thats why i was thinking about RC motor.

[Paul-R]

Paul-R,


You are NOT doing the readers here any favors by making comments of this nature.


Therefore, I request that BEFORE you make further comments on this subject, PLEASE read at least some of my documents like "Ignition system for


small engines 2.....", HydrOxy-gen. 'cosed-loop' setup.doc and "Running series cell electrolysers on 50-60Hz AC power...." as an absolute

minimum!


Thank you.


Cheers,

Les Banki

The title of this thread is "self running hho system with 400 watts additional power", talking about the Anton cell.

It would seem that you should start a new thread for your ideas.

[bitbo]

Here is some general info about my electrolyser design:
SS 316 plates, size 180 x 100 mm, 0.55 mm thick
They are placed in 0.6 mm wide, 5 mm deep grooves in 15 mm thick CLEAR Acrylic.
The distance between the center of the grooves is 3.5 mm.

Hello Les Banki!


Thanks a lot for sharing your results and details.
I would be interested in the layout/holes of your plates.
Do you have an image available.


How do you seal them - how do you seal the end plates?


Did you somewhere mention the pulse frequency which are sent to the plates?


Again Thanks
[size=78%]bitbo[/size]

[mscoffman]

Les,

I re-read this thead and at all of these design files. I am impressed with what you have done.

The overunity energy production it seems is either in the Electrolyser and/or The Ducar
Generator. In the generator it would vest as less mechanical effort required to produce a
given amount of electricity. If it's in the electrolyser it would vest as an over Faraday
amount of HydrOxy being generated per unit power.

a) The electrolyzer is very important, so people might want to purchase
it prebuilt. That way it is built exactly to specification, such as the
minimum/maximum fluid levels and the fluid delay constants.
Also final test could be carried out against an operating genset, so overunity
operation could be guaranteed from the factory. I feel this is important too
because it is a high voltage electrolyser. I believe it should be offered in the
7KW version only.  At 240VAC @ 10A and it's physically big.

b) 50Hz. is pretty much locked into your design by component values
in the control boards. I don't know if you've gone through to change
the components for 60Hz opperation? There is a 60Hz version of the
Ducar 9000 genset for $799US.

c) Modern Digital Inverter generators  have two "problems". The motor power need
is not precise that it requires phase control. The control board cannot make use of electrical
power signals for phase control. Most likely these already have oil presssure monitoring
and some sort CD ignition. Combined with sufficient voltage and frequency stability would
indicate a substantial change could be made to the control box.

The reason these digital inverter gensets may be desirable is the following
(A) Accurate Voltage/Frequency.
(B) It eases throttling demands on motor.
(C) Oil Pressure and fault monitoring available.
(D) Lower Nosie.
(E) Electrical Power Buffering.
(F) Specified in Electric Vehicle specifications for output signal quality requirements.

:S:MarkSCoffman

BTW: "I am *NOT* Mark Denise"

[Les Banki]

BTW: "I am *NOT* Mark Denise"

Hi Mark,

Do you mean 'markdansie'?
I don't think we will see him or his kind in THIS thread unless they have a desire to make a fool of themselves!

The GAME IS OVER for those guys and they know it!

Les,

I re-read this thead and at all of these design files. I am impressed with what you have done.

Thanks.

The overunity energy production it seems is either in the Electrolyser and/or The Ducar
Generator. In the generator it would vest as less mechanical effort required to produce a
given amount of electricity. If it's in the electrolyser it would vest as an over Faraday
amount of HydrOxy being generated per unit power.

I better NOT comment much on this issue because it will upset a few people!
However, I will just say that the so-called Faraday amount of HydrOxy is NOT valid!
IT NEVER HAS BEEN!

I dare say that VERY FEW PEOPLE understand water, the most remarkable substance on this planet!

a) The electrolyzer is very important, so people might want to purchase
it prebuilt. That way it is built exactly to specification, such as the
minimum/maximum fluid levels and the fluid delay constants.
Also final test could be carried out against an operating genset, so overunity
operation could be guaranteed from the factory. I feel this is important too
because it is a high voltage electrolyser. I believe it should be offered in the
7KW version only.  At 240VAC @ 10A and it's physically big.

The electrolyser is very important- ABSOLUTELY!

Physically big, yes. 

High voltage, yes.

So what?  It will have to be treated with the same respect as all other high voltage devices.

As for rest of the comments above, I DISAGREE.

Further, there are NO insane accuracy demands for this electrolyser design, unlike the "resonance" type electrolysis by Bob Boyce.

"minimum/maximum fluid levels and the fluid delay constants" ??

No offense but I honestly don't know what you are talking about!

Provided that people follow the guide lines of building the electrolyser, it is no big deal to achieve the same result every time!

I have NO INTENTION to limit the size of anything!

I leave that to the builders!

So far, it looks like that the 2 - 2.4kW electrolyser might be able to handle a generator perhaps as large as 15 kW!!
(We will soon find out!)

b) 50Hz. is pretty much locked into your design by component values
in the control boards. I don't know if you've gone through to change
the components for 60Hz opperation? There is a 60Hz version of the
Ducar 9000 genset for $799US.

Your concern for 60Hz operation is unfounded!

NO component changes whatsoever!

Please go back to the 'autorpm' circuit description document and re-read the adjustments section.

The switching frequency of the LM2907-N8 is adjusted by P1.

The VCO (IC13 - 4046) is only used for adjustments on the bench without an engine.

In fact it is disabled for normal operation.

No part of this ECU design is "locked in" to 50Hz operation!

The electrolyser is a different story but NOT because of the frequency!

It will have to be build to match the available local mains VOLTAGE!
(More on this later.)

Cheers,

Les Banki