Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output

[questioneverything]

Ignition systems are not the problem. The point of ignition is where you should be looking. A spark plug with a titanium or tungsten tip and electrode would easily handle the temps created from a plasma spark.

With a plasma spark you can run an ICE on steam or even liquid water. HHO presents no ignition challenge if you use a plasma spark.

[bolt]

bolt,
You may personally BELIEVE the above statements to be correct but I assure you, they are NOT!!
Please do not take offense but may I suggest that you study this subject properly before making further statements.

I have attached some of my writings (3 files) which may help you to a proper understand of the ignition/injection process.
There is enough misleading information on Internet already.
Please DO NOT add more!

Best regards,
Les Banki

OK I have read your files in essence requires some pretty extensive circuitry for the average person. My solution will work just fine. The engine is designed to run at a set speed. There is no need to incrementing the timing under varying throttle conditions. Therefore ABSOLUTE delay of some milliseconds will correct the timing to TDC without worrying about phase angles. I know i have done this for propane generators that required a timing change but was fixed on the old engine.

For the spark omission the DIV by 2 works and its surprisingly easy! if you are on the wrong "phase" the engine wont start. You pull it again and it has a 50/50 chance of starting. This might sound bad to you but once you pulled it once and it don't start once the engine catches the correct phase for the pulse it stays there and never changes. My method is a way of providing the EASY method with no mechanical modifications whatsoever. No gears, no extra hall sensor nothing. You said you need a double throw pull or the engine wont start. This is not true i done this before and it starts fine with a good pull AND it works for them on the demo machine.

SO while i don't totally disagree with your solutions they are not the only method to overcome the problems. My circuit is MUCH easier and will work with the correct timing using a pot delay and DIV 2.  All i will add to this is a phase comparator for RPM control it will sit very nice at the desired speed under varying loads. So you see there are a wide range of solutions from plastic cogs to full Arduino mapping which I'm more than capable of writing every bit of code to give this full and total ECM so please don't try to make out your solution is the ONLY one that can work.

[Les Banki]

Ignition systems are not the problem. The point of ignition is where you should be looking. A spark plug with a titanium or tungsten tip and electrode would easily handle the temps created from a plasma spark.

With a plasma spark you can run an ICE on steam or even liquid water. HHO presents no ignition challenge if you use a plasma spark.

questioneverything,

After you have read my "Ignition systems for small engines 2" 
thesis you will see that the ignition systems on small one cylinder engines ARE indeed the problem!!

"The point of ignition is where you should be looking."

Exactly!  That is what its all about, PLUS injection!
As for TRUE plasma sparks, their temperature may exceed the 3600 degrees (Celsius) melting point of tungsten!

" HHO presents no ignition challenge if you use a plasma spark."

For me, HHO presents NO ignition challenge, with OR without plasma sparks.

bolt,

First of all, my "solution" is NOT for the laymen on the street!
Our intention is to SELL these generators to NON-technical users.
Can you imagine those users to make several starting attempts in the hope of catching the correct phase?
Further, once you have removed the carburetor and have fitted an injection solenoid, how will your engine 'find' the correct RPM???

Further still, you have proved that your reading was rather brief. You obviously did not understand the bit about why the extended cord (or electric start) is necessary IF you are going to use my design.

You can argue all you want but a fixed time delay is NOT correct!!
In my article I made it clear that such an arrangement is ONLY correct at one speed!!  If you are satisfied with that, so be it!

I never claimed that my method is the best or the only way to go.

But so far, I have failed to find a proper design for this task.
That is why I set out to study the subject properly and made my own.

That's all.

Best regards,
Les Banki

[questioneverything]

questioneverything,

After you have read my "Ignition systems for small engines 2" 
thesis you will see that the ignition systems on small one cylinder engines ARE indeed the problem!!

"The point of ignition is where you should be looking."

Exactly!  That is what its all about, PLUS injection!
As for TRUE plasma sparks, their temperature may exceed the 3600 degrees (Celsius) melting point of tungsten!

" HHO presents no ignition challenge if you use a plasma spark."

For me, HHO presents NO ignition challenge, with OR without plasma sparks.

Plasma spark can exceed the melting temp of tungsten IF it's not controlled. An uncontrolled plasma spark can exceed 45000 F in the case of plasma cutters, but a controlled plasma spark can be used to boil water. I've done it.

Platinum has the ability to disperse heat over it's overall mass faster than it can build up. Especially if the entire center electrode and outer body and electrode are solid platinum.

I'm not into reading page after page of technical stuff when a simple question is MUCH faster and to the point.

I'm an ASE trained mechanic, exactly what is the state of ignition flame front and it's behavior at the moment of ignition?

[exnihiloest]

I quote from a Norwegian site - the content seems to fit right in here:
"I see there are a handful of sensible supporters of the established knowledge here."

Until now the "established knowledge" is the only one that works. If there is an alternative, show it us with operational terms and real existing machines.

Some people consider the established knowledge as an enemy because it prevents them from realizing their inconsistant dreams.
Even if it was an enemy, it is well known that to fight an ennemy, you must well know him. But these people don't know the laws of physics or don't understand them. They don't understand that every law is relevant and consistant with the others and that they cannot break one law without destroying all the whole knowledge.
If these ignorant people knew this, they would understand that the point is not to deny "the established knowledge", but to go beyond!
Only subtle phenomena beyond the conventional knowledge can open new doors which will not disprove the "established knowledge" but will need new theories that will encompass the previous ones or will reduce their domain of validity, as the relativity did with Newton mechanics.
The "established knowledge" is not an enemy but a friend, a convenient way to save time in eliminating stupid assertions about OU which are not OU but conventional phenomena, and in sorting out the promising ideas.