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Strategy Ruminations

Started by Omnibus, December 28, 2010, 09:35:57 PM

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Omnibus

#110
March 10, 2011, 09:59:48 PM
The effect I'm reporting has been first found experimentally. It is not true that it's only been simulated on a computer.

someother

#111
March 11, 2011, 03:16:41 AM
Hey, for those of you spamming the thread - go in the top of it and read carefully, you can read, right?

Ok, I completely messed up the things. I don't know where my head was when I made the excel's formulas.

No I have corrected what you told me. The input power is

U*I (voltage probe at the + of the power source; current probe at the - of the power source).

The output power is

I^2*R

I got 1000 results, from the 1010 row, to 2009; This is 1,25 uS, I think.

Ok, now... I've tried to calculate the energies, instead of the power. So I calculated the energy for every value of U and I multiplied by the time (for the input). And I^2*R multiplied by the time for the output.

The results for the power ratio are opposite to the energies ratio.

teslaalset

#112
March 11, 2011, 03:35:15 AM
Quote from: someother on March 11, 2011, 03:16:41 AM
No I have corrected what you told me. The input power is

U*I (voltage probe at the + of the power source; current probe at the - of the power source).

The output power is

I^2*R

I got 1000 results, from the 1010 row, to 2009; This is 1,25 uS, I think.

Ok, now... I've tried to calculate the energies, instead of the power. So I calculated the energy for every value of U and I multiplied by the time (for the input). And I^2*R multiplied by the time for the output.

The results for the power ratio are opposite to the energies ratio.

@Someother,
Can you repost the excel file? It seems corrupt in previous post unfortunately.

someother

#113
March 11, 2011, 08:29:45 AM
@teslaalset,

http://www.2shared.com/document/3TKchPUr/sim2-new.html

Please comment it, because I am still unsure for the calculations.

teslaalset

#114
March 11, 2011, 10:04:47 AM
Quote from: someother on March 11, 2011, 08:29:45 AM
@teslaalset,

http://www.2shared.com/document/3TKchPUr/sim2-new.html

Please comment it, because I am still unsure for the calculations.

In my view you made a possible typo in Cell F2 and H2

Your formula's:
F2: =AVERAGE(E1010:E2009)
H2: =AVERAGE(G1010:G2009)

In my view this should be:
F2: =AVERAGE(E2:E2009)
H2: =AVERAGE(G2:G2009)

The energy ratio can be simply calculated as =SUM(G2:G2009)/SUM(E2:E2009), since the time parameter is eleminated by the ratio formula, since:

Ein=Pin*t
Eout=Pout*t
Ratio = Eout/Ein= (Pout*t) / (Pin*t) , where t is equalized
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