Mars color

[Bobbotov]

Koen1, maybe you are having fun with these pics which is about all you can do with it but raburgeson isn't. He is clearly out of his mind with some bizarre obsession that is just not normal. And besides what possible outcome can come from all of this? If there really was a conspiracy to cover up some nefarious doings in Mars or anywhere else why take the chance and even use photos of the place and then airbrush them? It would be better to create whole images in a studio so that absolutely nothing could be compromised. They obviously have enough money to do whatever they want, in any manner they want. Why bother taking a chance with possibly exposing their activities by using pictures from the actual locations?

It is not like any one else can go there and prove them wrong as everyone is totally dependent on whatever they show? I could shoot pictures of the deserts of Arizona or New Mexico and call it Mars and no one would be the wiser.

OU.com is pretty wacky but this thread takes the cake.

[beedees]

OU.com is pretty wacky but this thread takes the cake



Comic relief man, comic relief!!!

[Koen1]

Koen1, maybe you are having fun with these pics which is about all you can do with it but raburgeson isn't. He is clearly out of his mind with some bizarre obsession that is just not normal. And besides what possible outcome can come from all of this? If there really was a conspiracy to cover up some nefarious doings in Mars or anywhere else why take the chance and even use photos of the place and then airbrush them? It would be better to create whole images in a studio so that absolutely nothing could be compromised. They obviously have enough money to do whatever they want, in any manner they want. Why bother taking a chance with possibly exposing their activities by using pictures from the actual locations?

Why bother going to the moon when you can fake it? Reasoning like that doesn't get you anywhere either...
And although I agree that Raymond is a bit focused on what he believes is his crack at a disinformation sceme,
I would not want to go so far as to say he is out of his mind. That seems a bit harsh.
Seems to me he is simply one of the few hard-core "I want to believe" people. There's people who idolise (as in deify) Elvis,
there's people still looking for the thrid gunman on the grassy nole, there's people who literally believe fire and brimstone
are going to hail down from the sky when the third angel pours out the scales, and there's even people who seem to
believe you can fight terrorism by terrorising people, and the latter actually run a country.
So what's the big problem with Raburgesons hobby to study and interpret Mars pictures that do get pulled from
the web for reasons unknown? Leave him be, let him tell us what he thinks he sees. I don't see most of the
stuff he talks about, but he's not actually harassing anyone with it, and if you don't want to read his posts
you certainly don't have to. Did you ever enjoy watching X-files, or did you go around telling everyone that that
Fox Mulder character is one crazy sob with his alien conspiracy ideas?

It is not like any one else can go there and prove them wrong as everyone is totally dependent on whatever they show?

Yeah, except for the fact that nowadays Nasa is NOT the only one taking Mars pics anymore, the ESA has been doing it too,
and their pictures show different colours than the Nasa ones... Ok, NASA recently adjusted the most recent pictures to accord
more with the true colours as to not be ridiculed for publicising red shifted pictures, and the ESA lander/rover failed after landing
so there's not really any surface pics from ESA yet, but the orbital pics are very good. And besides that, taking pictures and analysing them
are two different things. That NASA took the pictures does not mean they also have absolute knowledge of what they show,
nor that they wouldn't alter the pics if they did show anything they don't want the public to know about. Ever heard of the Disclosure Project?
Perhaps interesting to check it out, especially on the subject of NASA picture editing?
Or just for fun, you might want to look up Phil Schneider. Totally different stuff, but very X-files.

I could shoot pictures of the deserts of Arizona or New Mexico and call it Mars and no one would be the wiser.

True. And you could also get to Mars, find it to be very much like Arizona or New Mexico, and decide to red-shift the colours a bit
and blur out any waterlike features so that those nasty Russians don't get it into their cold-war minds to actually go there.
But let's follow that path of thought of yours for another few steps eh?
So you say NASA could have taken shots of a dry Arizona/New Mexico region and presented them as MArs pictures, since nobody
else actually has a rover on Mars so nobody can confirm or falsify their pictures?
Hehe, now who's talking about conspiracies?
So you're calling Raburgeson crazy for claiming to see airbrushed and otherwise altered pictures of Mars from NASA,
but you suggest NASA may not have actually taken pictures on MArs at all and just presents Arizona pics to the world?

What sort of non-conspiracy interpretation would you connect to that, then?

OU.com is pretty wacky but this thread takes the cake.

Again I disagree. You should read the Lee-Tseung thread.
While this is, admittedly, a bit flakey and verges on the edge of improbability, but still mostly entertaining,
the Lee-Tseung thread is really off. That guy actually believes he can extract free energy from gravity
by using his self-invented "Lee-Tseung Pull" during a pendulum swing. He can't prove one bit of it, and has
been proven wrong quite a number of times already, but he didn't give up. Recently his son-in-law came
on here and asked everyone in that thread to stop feeding the old guys delusions as he was actually
mentally not well. So if you really want to read a nutcases ranting, go there.
The people who frequented the thread called it "the Larry Tseung comedy Hour".

[Bobbotov]

Why bother going to the moon when you can fake it? Reasoning like that doesn't get you anywhere either...
.

Well then why make love when you can fake it? The problem with all of this is that there are so many weak minded people out there stuff like this becomes mythological memes that get repeated, expanded, twisted, perpetuated and the world has enough crap floating around on the internet to make it pure noise. What is the benefit of that? The problem with the internet is that there is just not enough Woo-woo, right?

And although I agree that Raymond is a bit focused on what he believes is his crack at a disinformation sceme,
I would not want to go so far as to say he is out of his mind. That seems a bit harsh

By his own admission he spends literally hundreds of hours staring at one picture. Hundreds of hours? That is several weeks man. That is a tad more than "a bit focused." And if you spend that much time staring at anything you are going to start hallucinating.

There's people who idolise (as in deify) Elvis,
there's people still looking for the thrid gunman on the grassy nole, there's people who literally believe fire and brimstone
are going to hail down from the sky when the third angel pours out the scales, and there's even people who seem to
believe you can fight terrorism by terrorising people, and the latter actually run a country.

So by your reasoning since there is a plethora of nut cases in the world then they get a pass for being ubiquitous? Sounds like insanity is winning over logic.

Maybe it is because of letting people off the hook like this a President really can use fear to advance their agendas which goes beyond just harmless pastimes into real world death and destruction. If reality has no meaning anymore then all manner of open ended delusions will reign and they are not all benign as you yourself alluded.

So what's the big problem with Raburgesons hobby to study and interpret Mars pictures that do get pulled from
the web for reasons unknown? Leave him be, let him tell us what he thinks he sees. I don't see most of the
stuff he talks about, but he's not actually harassing anyone with it, and if you don't want to read his posts
you certainly don't have to. Did you ever enjoy watching X-files, or did you go around telling everyone that that
Fox Mulder character is one crazy sob with his alien conspiracy ideas?

How I am stopping him even if I could? He is free to spooge whatever he wants and I am free to comment in any way I want. The X-files is not a good comparison as it is fictional and not pawned off as reality on any level. And you can champion nut cases all you want but don't expect people to take you too seriously either through that association. And he may be harmless but some other wacko that reads it and believes may not be if there is no voice to temper specious ramblings.

By the same token, you don't have to read or respond to my posts either but you do. Double standard perhaps?

Yeah, except for the fact that nowadays Nasa is NOT the only one taking Mars pics anymore, the ESA has been doing it too,
and their pictures show different colours than the Nasa ones... Ok, NASA recently adjusted the most recent pictures to accord
more with the true colours as to not be ridiculed for publicising red shifted pictures, and the ESA lander/rover failed after landing
so there's not really any surface pics from ESA yet, but the orbital pics are very good. And besides that, taking pictures and analysing them
are two different things. That NASA took the pictures does not mean they also have absolute knowledge of what they show,
nor that they wouldn't alter the pics if they did show anything they don't want the public to know about.

I just saw a program called World War Two in Color and the colors were all off. I guess they faked WWII also. And what would be the benefit of NASA altering the color? What clandestine agenda do they have? And why would assuming they have a clandestine agenda end up on the short list of possible answers? How can any of this help NASA in any of their worthwhile future endeavors when it would be exposed through other sources eventually?

Ever heard of the Disclosure Project?
Perhaps interesting to check it out, especially on the subject of NASA picture editing?
Or just for fun, you might want to look up Phil Schneider. Totally different stuff, but very X-files.

Using the Disclosure Project to support any credible debate is like saying a fairy godmother is your advisor.

True. And you could also get to Mars, find it to be very much like Arizona or New Mexico, and decide to red-shift the colours a bit
and blur out any waterlike features so that those nasty Russians don't get it into their cold-war minds to actually go there.

That makes no sense as we have been in joint space projects with the Russians and they have always been free to do whatever space exploration they want on their own and they have as are any other countries. A realistic issue with the Russians is the US putting missile defense systems in Poland not what the US is doing on Mars. And this business of obscuring water on Mars makes no sense either when it is one of things that NASA is hoping to find verifiable proof of.

But let's follow that path of thought of yours for another few steps eh?
So you say NASA could have taken shots of a dry Arizona/New Mexico region and presented them as MArs pictures, since nobody
else actually has a rover on Mars so nobody can confirm or falsify their pictures?
Hehe, now who's talking about conspiracies?
So you're calling Raburgeson crazy for claiming to see airbrushed and otherwise altered pictures of Mars from NASA,
but you suggest NASA may not have actually taken pictures on MArs at all and just presents Arizona pics to the world? What sort of non-conspiracy interpretation would you connect to that, then?

I never said that is what NASA did so don't spin it into something it is not. It just makes it look like you cannot comprehend the written word. What I am saying is that as a conspiracy theory it makes no sense to alter real pictures to obfuscate some clandestine operation when it would be more practical to take pictures of something entirely unrelated and pawn that off to a public that has no way of verifying one way or the other at this point in time. By doing so there is no chance of revealing something you do not want the public to see if in fact that was ever a realistic consideration which it is not. And besides it is just a matter of time before other countries have the capability of going to the Moon or Mars to make this whole thing moot.

If I was writing a script for the X-Files I would opt for this approach over altering real pictures if a coverup was truly my aim.

Again I disagree. You should read the Lee-Tseung thread.

I know of Larry long before his postings here on OU.com.

While this is, admittedly, a bit flakey and verges on the edge of improbability, but still mostly entertaining,
the Lee-Tseung thread is really off. That guy actually believes he can extract free energy from gravity
by using his self-invented "Lee-Tseung Pull" during a pendulum swing. He can't prove one bit of it, and has
been proven wrong quite a number of times already, but he didn't give up. Recently his son-in-law came
on here and asked everyone in that thread to stop feeding the old guys delusions as he was actually
mentally not well. So if you really want to read a nutcases ranting, go there.
The people who frequented the thread called it "the Larry Tseung comedy Hour".

That is no different than virtually all of the free energy, perpetual motion, overunity threads on this site and their proponents. And essentially what you are saying is that this thread is just a shorthair away from another, over the top delusion.

[raburgeson]

We called them on the color of the sky because we had previous pictures from Europe's mission. They finally as an admission said they added red to make it look more like Mars. They also disclosed they lied about Venus's atmosphere. That if the atmosphere was that extreme temperature a parachute would not survive to land a probe. You can see the poles with a telescope from your back yard. If Mars was a cold as they claim if would be covered in a fine layer of frost. There is a temperate area between the poles.

I have picked up a couple of gigs of new images. Beware the prospectives they are going to release. They intend to lead the general population by the nose to believe what they want them to believe. The perspectives are complete computer fabrications. Like you who have looked at 2d images all your life can't realize the perspective on your own. They are liars and crooks and they have been caught so many times I don't want their crap, I want real pictures. Those people you are taking the word of have no credibility. I'm one person that can tell if an image has been modified. You can go out in your back yard and take a higher quality picture right now than the crap they have been releasing to us.

They are trying to say now that one crater is only 750 feet across, they need a panorama for that? It's miles across and I have a older picture with the silhouette of the outline of the US over that region that shows it's area is larger than the United States. Not the crater the region, I wouldn't be surprised if you couldn't fit a good sized city in there though. I'm not backing down from these liars, they have been lying to me all my life and I will beat the truth out of them. The scariest lie they ever told you and for about 6 years was only queers get AIDS, they don't even care if the lies they tell kill you. I didn't get AIDS by the way, I was aware of what they are and intelligent enough to realize that the microbe does not care who the host is.