Practical Method for Production of Water Fuel with Piezoelectric

[petar113507]

My fogger arrived!  Whoo!  So, I can do my tests a week early! 
Unfourtunately, this is the only post I could really squeeze in before I'm headed off to the library to get work done.  So, I havent been able to do tests with the crystals +Pizeo yet.  Soon!

Rad HHO, It strikes me that I do not know the vibration rate of my DK-24 Pond fogger.  Do you know that of yours?  This may be what made your crystals "not work" -- they might not have been vibrating fast enough. (For the pizeoelectric crystals, this means there wouldn't have been a strong enough electrical difference at short range -- so no HHO)

I have not conducted any tests yet -- so this is an untested thought.  I'll get back to you on this over the weekend. 
Also,
I have a couple of old microwave transformers laying around,  (and my friends think it's nuts, but I dont care ) and was thinking about substituting the pond fogger transformer for the bigger one.  Problem is, I don't know what the transformer is rated for.

I was even thinking -- the transformer on the fogger is rated at 24V -- Could I just add another "step up" transformer between the fogger, and the stock-fogger-transformer to step it up a little bit more?

Why are we stepping up to 36V?  Is there an upper limit to the voltage that I should not cross  Does increasing the voltage increase the speed of vibration of the pizeoelectric?
If it is not the voltage -- how can we get the fogger to vibrate faster?

I'm drawing a blank here you guys -- and I've gotta study and write a paper tonight.  I'll pick up on these questions later on the weekend if no one knows the answers.  If anyone does though, I would be much obliged for any insight!

I will post everything I have done/tested over the weekend. Pictures of setup, Videos of making crystals -- everything I have done.  I hope it helps others get up-to-speed.

Spring break is here for me after my last midterms(tomorrow!) -- and will be able to go full time on this project soon.   

The ball is gettin' a-rollin,
==Romo

[altrez]

My fogger arrived!  Whoo!  So, I can do my tests a week early! 
Unfourtunately, this is the only post I could really squeeze in before I'm headed off to the library to get work done.  So, I havent been able to do tests with the crystals +Pizeo yet.  Soon!

Rad HHO, It strikes me that I do not know the vibration rate of my DK-24 Pond fogger.  Do you know that of yours?  This may be what made your crystals "not work" -- they might not have been vibrating fast enough. (For the pizeoelectric crystals, this means there wouldn't have been a strong enough electrical difference at short range -- so no HHO)

I have not conducted any tests yet -- so this is an untested thought.  I'll get back to you on this over the weekend. 
Also,
I have a couple of old microwave transformers laying around,  (and my friends think it's nuts, but I dont care ) and was thinking about substituting the pond fogger transformer for the bigger one.  Problem is, I don't know what the transformer is rated for.

I was even thinking -- the transformer on the fogger is rated at 24V -- Could I just add another "step up" transformer between the fogger, and the stock-fogger-transformer to step it up a little bit more?

Why are we stepping up to 36V?  Is there an upper limit to the voltage that I should not cross  Does increasing the voltage increase the speed of vibration of the pizeoelectric?
If it is not the voltage -- how can we get the fogger to vibrate faster?

I'm drawing a blank here you guys -- and I've gotta study and write a paper tonight.  I'll pick up on these questions later on the weekend if no one knows the answers.  If anyone does though, I would be much obliged for any insight!

I will post everything I have done/tested over the weekend. Pictures of setup, Videos of making crystals -- everything I have done.  I hope it helps others get up-to-speed.

Spring break is here for me after my last midterms(tomorrow!) -- and will be able to go full time on this project soon.   

The ball is gettin' a-rollin,
==Romo

Dude! You are doing good work but PLEASE be careful with the MOT it can seriously kill you before you even know what hit you. You don't need that much Voltage / Amps / Difference of potential

-Altrez

[e2matrix]

My fogger arrived!  Whoo!  So, I can do my tests a week early! 
Unfourtunately, this is the only post I could really squeeze in before I'm headed off to the library to get work done.  So, I havent been able to do tests with the crystals +Pizeo yet.  Soon!

Rad HHO, It strikes me that I do not know the vibration rate of my DK-24 Pond fogger.  Do you know that of yours?  This may be what made your crystals "not work" -- they might not have been vibrating fast enough. (For the pizeoelectric crystals, this means there wouldn't have been a strong enough electrical difference at short range -- so no HHO)

I have not conducted any tests yet -- so this is an untested thought.  I'll get back to you on this over the weekend. 
Also,
I have a couple of old microwave transformers laying around,  (and my friends think it's nuts, but I dont care ) and was thinking about substituting the pond fogger transformer for the bigger one.  Problem is, I don't know what the transformer is rated for.

I was even thinking -- the transformer on the fogger is rated at 24V -- Could I just add another "step up" transformer between the fogger, and the stock-fogger-transformer to step it up a little bit more?

Why are we stepping up to 36V?  Is there an upper limit to the voltage that I should not cross  Does increasing the voltage increase the speed of vibration of the pizeoelectric?
If it is not the voltage -- how can we get the fogger to vibrate faster?

I'm drawing a blank here you guys -- and I've gotta study and write a paper tonight.  I'll pick up on these questions later on the weekend if no one knows the answers.  If anyone does though, I would be much obliged for any insight!

I will post everything I have done/tested over the weekend. Pictures of setup, Videos of making crystals -- everything I have done.  I hope it helps others get up-to-speed.

Spring break is here for me after my last midterms(tomorrow!) -- and will be able to go full time on this project soon.   

The ball is gettin' a-rollin,
==Romo

NO!  Do NOT use a MOT between your power supply and the fogger or you will destroy your fogger.  You would be multiplying the voltage by about 15 to 20 times and MOT's can handle all the current you throw at them so you would potentially be putting about 480 volts at serveral amps into your little ultrasonic circuit = Instant Destruction!  Like Altrez said MOT's are dangerous for many reasons and even if it wasn't dangerous for you it would be instant death for your equipment if set up like that.

[e2matrix]

fishman,
i have not tried gluing but heck, it's your creation, try and let us know. ZnO is pretty tough,don't worry.
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Chet,
thanks for the new info. HHO alone is will raise ICE temperature unsafely, however the atomize fog acts as a coolant. there are already numerous sites that sells and explain effects of water fog injection kits, some have been doing this for decades successfully, but the ultrasonic HHO is an all new cat in the playground.
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Supergod,
I am not sure of the application that you had mentioned. The circuit I am talking about is 100 years old. TT, rectify tube, condensors, Ionizing chamber. Simple stuff. I do not care for new age discrete electronics.
Submolecule water fog is easily nucleated and  ionized to release HHO by white spark from positive charge, NOT the purple spark from negative. An auxiliary tubular condenser chamber will be suitable for this purpose as it can produce electric wind to move fog in and out of chamber at the same time dissociate fog with fine electrostatic force at controlled rate, preferbly 20-40% HHO only.
If you still think that water is binded only by H2 + O then you have not learned a thing. Aether has properties, it can be made a solid out of water and the H2 and O that is why H2 and O is released FREELY
This is a combination of already known work in Sonochemistry and Cavitation Nucleation. Analog circuitry is much easie to build and very robust, not to mention easily replicable and cheap.
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Everyone,
When testing your crystals, throw away the transformer that came with the ultrasonic fogger, wind your own transformer, for the single piezo, I run it at 36v, current not important. You can buy just transducer only and mount them yourself, they are $2 each, you need to cast your own housing, metalgury skills. Or better, ask to buy the ultrasonic fogger without power supply, that will shave off some $$.
For automotive application, It does not make sense to run and inverter
Your transducer needs to run at above 43 khz or you will not have combustible gas. My cells runs at 45 khz.
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I am not a guru, no teacher, no expert,  I never ever wish to be one.
I am next to Nothing as I'm just another man like you.  Guys, follow your guru as you have not and may never learn self intellectual.
Best of luck.
Have a nice day

Thanks again for all your help.  A couple questions.  I've seen TT coil and TT come up a couple times but I don't know what that is unless you are referring to a car HV ignition coil? 
   
Question also about the Ultrasonic frequency.  None that I've seen state their operating frequency.  Do most of them operate above 43 Khz?  Or will we need to modify them some way to get the higher frequency.  While I have never taken one apart I assume there is a small oscillator circuit in them driving the ceramic transducer.  I did build an ultrasonic transmitter from scratch about 40 years ago to demonstrate Doppler effects but it's transducer is not made for fogging or use in water.  I think it is in the 25-30 Khz range.  I do have a frequency reader although I'm not sure how to hook it up to a fogger as they look sealed as I expect they would need to be in order to be water tight.  I did unscrew the top on one to remove a broken disk but below that it appears all sealed with no access to the electronics or output connections.   Anyone have any ideas to know what frequency these run at or how we can get them above 43 Khz? 

[The Power To Be]

e2matrix,
The TT is the only Tesla Transformer that I utilize, pancake coil type and not the  tower everyone uses to create spark show. Tesla confined sparks to prevent loss.

The china ultrasonic uses transistor oscillator to tune oscillation frequency, just refresh your memory of  Pierce oscillator circuit,   tune your resonator to 43 khz. Just like crystal oscillators, there are many ways to do this, crystal angles, temp, voltage etc. You can use a network analyzer to conduct reading, I don fancy these things.

There's a wealth of information out there on regular guys like us hacking just about anything that you will ever need to fine tune in this project. Other forums have hacked these cheap piezo and modify them according to their likings.
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Romo, please use your intelligence, it is not hard  to steup up 12 to 36v?, simple transformer, MOT is overkill. All of the technical specs for your fogger is available online.
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Come on people, please be REAL.
Anyone serious about this project, it is best to leave these forums and seek required knowledge else where. Google Books, Patents, published papers, electronic forums, chemistry forum etc. They are readily available.
Forget about your Free Energy knowledge, Meyers, Boyce etc.  You guys just need a CLEAR mind to see it.
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While the simplicity of Truth is not exciting, simple things do work best, no exotic myths and tales. Anyone that wants to save on their gas can use my little fog injector, you can also atomize gasoline into vapor, there's a great myth about the 200 mpg car, you can do it now if you wish.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwWj-gcYPTg&feature=related

Anyhow, these things are real simple and easy to do. I hope you folks will find uses for them and see that there is no Energy Crisis, the only crisis is your Values and the false reality that you continue to perceive.

Good luck to those people in Wisconsin that are standing up for what is right, and great job for those in Maine that fought for food sovereignty. You are what you eat people, you need good natural minerals to think and see clearly.

What is in your food?.