Practical Method for Production of Water Fuel with Piezoelectric

[petar113507]

Romo,
Have you seen the video Power to be posted the link for a while back?  I almost missed it. His transducer is out of a humidifier and it operates at 48 Khz.  It has the driver circuit too.  Easy access for mods.  I may have to go to walmart.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwWj-gcYPTg&feature=related

Great video. 

Thanks again Power to be.

Thanks for the link!  I totally missed that.

From the looks of things, as I am taking apart one of the two transducers I have -- They look like they're not going to give up their little circutboard easily.  This leads me to the conclusion, we will effectively have to build our own circutboard, or find one.

Circutry, gentlemen, is not my area of expertise. 
Is there any way we can have circutboards made through an onlinecompany, and then distributed through this group?  I might know a few of them that wouldn't be too expensive. 
Like I said though -- It is not my area of expertise.  I do not think I have the technical-know-how to build one of those things from scratch.  I'm currently looking up the how-to's -- but I think there must be a faster way.

So, what I am proposing, is to make a joint effort to create the circutboard/oscilator circut, and then we would purchase them, distribute them -- and effectively have the same working oscillator on the transducer in the end.

Please contact me via PM, or at askromo@gmail.com
I am looking to get this done as soon as possible (within a few days).
If you're on the ball for this project, I hope to hear from you.

On a side note -- has anyone given much consideration as to where to bind the crystals?

I was thinking of putting them on the inside of a copper-pipe and laying a very thin layer of expoxy or ceramic therein. (pipe as per-that last video)

I could then put the spark gap outside the pipe, and into a secondary mist chamber.  The primary "mister" would be governed by the "influencer" to produce more HHO.  The secondary chamber would be towards adding more water vapor, so that the mixture does not become too HHO rich.

Then, on to the inlet/intake manifold.

The valve on the side of the copper pipe would be attached to a refill-sensor (for a later build version), and added water when need be.

Like this,



==Romo

[e2matrix]

petar113507,  Is the item in your hand in the last picture the inside bottom (or top) of the ultrasonic fogger?  If so it's no surprise that it appears to be encased in silicone or some other potting material since the unit has to be underwater.  If it's silicone rubber like it may be possible to peel away the silicone to get at the circuit but if it's a harder material it's probably going to difficult to avoid damaging the circuit.  I think it would be fairly easy to build a circuit but I would mostly be concerned about how well it would work with the existing disk if the frequency is much higher that the circuit feeding it now. 
The circuit below would be simple enough and is variable by VR1 from 40 to 50 Khz which is right in our target range.  Circuit description below from :http://www.electronic-circuits-diagrams.com/audioimages/audiockt10.shtml


"Circuit of a new type of remote control switch is described here. This circuit functions with inaudible (ultrasonic) sound. Sound of frequency up to 20 kHz is audible to human beings. The sound of frequency above 20 kHz is called ultrasonic sound. The circuit described generates (transmits) ultrasonic sound of frequency between 40 and 50 kHz. As with any other remote control system this cirucit too comprises a mini transmitter and a receiver circuit. Transmitter generates ultrasonic sound and the receiver senses ultrasonic sound from the transmitter and switches on a relay. The ultrasonic transmitter uses a 555 based astable multivibrator. It oscillates at a frequency of 40-50 kHz. An ultrasonic transmitter transducer is used here to transmit ultrasonic sound very effectively. The transmitter is powered from a 9-volt PP3 single cell. The ultrasonic receiver circuit uses an ultrasonic receiver transducer to sense ultrasonic signals. It also uses a two-stage amplifier, a rectifier stage, and an operational amplifier in inverting mode. Output of op-amp is connected to a relay through a complimentary relay driver stage. A 9-volt battery eliminator can be used for receiver circuit, if required. When switch S1 of transmitter is pressed, it generates ultrasonic sound. The sound is received by ultrasonic receiver transducer. It converts it to electrical variations of the same frequency. These signals are amplified by transistors T3 and T4. The amplified signals are then rectified and filtered. The filtered DC voltage is given to inverting pin of op-amp IC2. The non- inverting pin of IC2 is connected to a variable DC voltage via preset VR2 which determines the threshold value of ultrasonic signal received by receiver for operation of relay RL1. The inverted output of IC2 is used to bias transistor T5. When transistor T5 conducts, it supplies base bias to transistor T6. When transistor T6 conducts, it actuates the relay. The relay can be used to control any electrical or electronic equipment. Important hints:
1. Frequency of ultrasonic sound generated can be varied from 40 to 50 kHz range by adjusting VR1. Adjust it for maximum performance.
2. Ultrasonic sounds are highly directional. So when you are operating the switch the ultrasonic transmitter transducer of transmitter should be placed towards ultrasonic receiver transducer of receiver circuit for proper functioning.
3. Use a 9-volt PP3 battery for transmitter. The receiver can be powered from a battery eliminator and is always kept in switched on position.
4. For latch facility use a DPDT relay if you want to switch on and switch off the load. A flip-flop can be inserted between IC2 and relay. If you want only an �ON-time delay� use a 555 only at output of IC2. The relay will be energised for the required period determined by the timing components of 555 monostable multivibrator.
5. Ultrasonic waves are emitted by many natural sources. Therefore, sometimes, the circuit might get falsely triggered, espically when a flip-flop is used with the circuit, and there is no remedy for that."

[e2matrix]

One other note on that circuit is I'm not sure the output power would be strong enough.  If not we might get some help from some others here to suggest some add ons for higher power.  Hopefully this doesn't seem to complex but it may be needed to hit the target frequency which I believe is important.  555 circuits and help in building them is abundant on the Internet.  They are really fairly simple and generally quite inexpensive to build.  No need for a circuit board even at these frequencies.   Last circuit I built around a 555 I just put it into a small box and filled it with Silicone.   

[Slovenia]

I just remembered that I have a retired electrician friend in Canada who may be willing to help us.  He can make circuits for anything.  He owns Chemelec.  I'll contact him and see if he'd be willing to help us out.

[The Power To Be]

Great job guys, please keep it simple. Stay with the cheap china piezo, they have decent life, 1500 hrs average and is readily available. Someone mentioned the humidifiers,  some model comes with variable frequency, no further modification needed but a bit more costly.

e2matrix,  I had tried  Tesla oscillation  and it does work as well to ionize fog using tubular condensor, added bonus is  repulsion effect but it's a whole different approach.