Practical Method for Production of Water Fuel with Piezoelectric

[Sprocket]

Hi Solvenia,

I am inquiring that china company you posted about the transducers.  I will order them.  The 45khz at 35watts.  I have a question though.  Is the joule thief circuit the controller and power supply for the transducer?  That Mary at the company is asking what PCB I need and what are my power requirements after reading these last few pages on this thread I think I just realized I dont even need their PCBs for the transducer.  Am I correct?  It would certainly save me money and time.  If you are near my location I could drop one off or mail it to you I want to order 5 of them. 
If any of you were at the energy conference and remember the Mag heater.  In the past week I realized what it would take to build one and ordered the magnets and put them onto a plywood disc.  Wow it turns water to steam rapidly within a minute or two.  Whatever material you put in front of it, copper is my favorite, it heats up very rapidly with what? Magnetic waves! 
The E3 plugs I found out were resistor plugs they have a value of 4.9 Kohms so they do not work well with my CDI setup.  They put out a very weak spark normally and with the resistor its not much better.   I am using the AEM 4 channel off of amazon.com but I have found other resistorless plugs that will work and want to use copper plug wires with it.
Told you I was still around 
Chris

Hi.  Do you have any further info on this 'Mag Heater'?  Sounds interesting!

Regarding power requirements for the transducers, I think 'Mary' was quite right in her inquiry.  35 * 2 Watts is a LOT - I built a meager 20W supply and was surprised with the amount of heat generated in several metres of resistance wire (14 Ohm total) I was using as a test-load.  And you are talking 70 Watts - good luck finding a Joule-thief to power those!  Also, having gutted a 30W humidifier for other things, I can attest that its power-supply is non-trivial.

I don't get why people are still going on about transducer frequency here - these things are already 'tuned' optimally to do the job in question, ie. produce a mist from water, at their rated frequency.  It's akin to buying an AM radio then trying to tune it to pick up UHF signals!

And unless I've missed the boat completely, there has still been no proof-of-concept that Zn0 crystals even work as described - why are people buying 'power-transducers', looking for power-electronics circuits to supply same, when the concept itself hasn't yet been shown to work?!?!

[b_rads]

ZnS anyone lol. Its really so easy once you understand. Everything that's needed is from nature. You just need to know what to look for

-Altrez

Altrez - you are absolutely correct, zinc is available in many foods(vegetables, oysters, beef, etc)
A few tidbits on ZnS
From wikipedia - zinc sulfide
Laboratory preparation It is easily produced by mixing an amount of zinc and sulfur and then igniting it. The result (after cooling) is zinc sulfide.
Zinc sulfide is insoluble in water and solutions containing Zn2+ readily precipitate ZnS in the presence of sulfide ions (e.g., from H2S).

Zn2+ + S2âˆ' â†' ZnS
This has formed the basis of a gravimetric analysis for zinc.[4]

It is produced in quantity from zinc oxide as a by-product of the synthesis of ammonia from methane.


Description from ebay product - search for zinc sulfide - $12.00 for 10grams.
Glow Powder
Glow in the Dark Pigment
16 Ounces
Did you ever wonder how Glow in the Dark things get that GLOW?

This is the stuff (Zinc Sulfide) that makes it happen! It is a non-hazardous powder that activates in almost any light source but is especially sensitive to the blue portion of the light spectrum.  It will glow when exposed to a regular incandescent light bulb, sunlight, blacklight or fluorescent light.  What a fun way to teach about energy.
You can turn regular putty into Glow in the Dark Putty by mixing a little of this Glow Powder into it.  Add this Glow Powder to paint and Presto! you have glow in the dark paint.  Add it to acrylic sealer or white glue.
@Sprocket.  I agree, why go superpower on the electronics until proof of concept has been achieved. If a large amount of hho is produced going with higher current electronics then off the shelf electronics should prove working model.

[The Power To Be]

The continuum of  the usual belief, brute force current will always produce heat, the desired effect is quite the opposite.

The toroid transforms DC into oscillating AC, slow waves will produce cold, cool your the lattice of your toroid and you achieve super-conduction if your alloy proper elements. Enclose your coil in ideal vacuum and you have perpetual power source.  Receiver ZnO produces rapid disruptive discharge via oscillation and you obtain unity transformation of waves, the desired electrostatic skin effect. No energy is wasted to heat.

You do not need to buy anything as you can harvest materials locally easily. I will not think for you, you need to learn on your own.

Heat is medium paced waves that is wasteful.

Good luck and have a nice day.

[superman9976]

Hi.  Do you have any further info on this 'Mag Heater'?  Sounds interesting!

Regarding power requirements for the transducers, I think 'Mary' was quite right in her inquiry.  35 * 2 Watts is a LOT - I built a meager 20W supply and was surprised with the amount of heat generated in several metres of resistance wire (14 Ohm total) I was using as a test-load.  And you are talking 70 Watts - good luck finding a Joule-thief to power those!  Also, having gutted a 30W humidifier for other things, I can attest that its power-supply is non-trivial.

I don't get why people are still going on about transducer frequency here - these things are already 'tuned' optimally to do the job in question, ie. produce a mist from water, at their rated frequency.  It's akin to buying an AM radio then trying to tune it to pick up UHF signals!

And unless I've missed the boat completely, there has still been no proof-of-concept that Zn0 crystals even work as described - why are people buying 'power-transducers', looking for power-electronics circuits to supply same, when the concept itself hasn't yet been shown to work?!?!

Yeah I do what did you wanna know?  I suggest looking at magnetic heater video on you tube too.  The magnets are alternating north south configuration the more the better and thinner metal stock works better than thick.  It puts more load on the motor which draws more current which makes it less efficient.

I am trying to replicate Power To Be's setup since he started out by saying 45khz transducers work best.  Someone from the past had efficient HHO production with the lower frequency like around 43khz which was said in earlier posts.  Something about acoustical resonance?  These transducers have a minimum power requirement is 15 watts and go up 2400 watts.  So by building this pierce circuit we will achieve acoustical resonance? And power it with toroid transformer?  Or just a joule thief circuit?  In the design book I have the pierce circuit they are showing goes down to 600 khz and up 30mhz.  They call it a Pierce Crystal Oscillator.  I'm pretty sure there's a design somewhere that will go down lower though. 

Chris

[superman9976]

I also wanted to ask has anyone had any success adhering their crystals to a substrate?  Or know what material to use for adhesion.  If it was posted earlier I probably missed it. 
Thanks
Chris