Practical Method for Production of Water Fuel with Piezoelectric

[petar113507]

Here is where I'm confused.  If you will notice all of the atomizer piezos are in the range 1.7 to 2.4 Mhz. The piezos used for cleaning are in the 43 khz range.  Can we drive the 1.7 Mhz piezo with the 43 Khz driver?  That is the question.  I'm not so sure.   

I'm calling the manufacturer for a few ultrasonic humidifiers. 

I'll post what I find out from them.  From what it sounds like so far -- You have to compensate at a higher input voltage, of offset the "inefficiencies" that ocurr at higher frequencies of the vibrating transducer.

I think it may be easiest (for the primary working model at least) to have an oscilator/humidifier that runs between 40-50 KHZ.

I asked about the frequencies, because if we are just using the crystals in HHO production, we can use a jewlery cleaner for the extra HHO liberation.  Thereafter -- use the pond fogger, and the "ionizer" to pump the air + hho into the intake manifold of the engine.

(These are my plans)
I am not trying for a selfrunner -- just a proof-of-concept model, that you can run an engine on sheerly HHO, and water.  Afterwards, I have generated sufficent interest in a working model, that I can investigate soley using the cheaper pond foggers, and the ionizers to produce the nescessary HHO to make it a selfrunner.  This might have the potential cut out the pizeo-electric crystals entirely -- I do not yet know.  Tests, and funds are further required for that.

I am simply trying to get SOMETHING to produce the HHO nescessary to make a primary model.  So far, I can either modify the pond fogger (might not work, I have not found solid information -- after to days searching, it is a little frustrating.  I don't know if I'm looking for the correct keywords or information about the foggers.)

Any ideas?
==Romo

Edit:
Open mouth = inserted foot
(Look in Comments section for further keyword searching: http://www.instructables.com/community/Pond-Misters/ )

[Slovenia]

Hi Romo,

You are doing a terrific job.  You have a lot of well focused energy and a great mind.  Thanks so much for sharing with all of us.

In several posts Powerme said we had all the information we needed to go forward with this project, so I've been going back and doing a lot of reading to see if there was something he shared earlier that I might have missed.  Well today, I saw that in one post he had ordered for himself 10 piezo ceramic at $3.00 each delivered.  I didn't find anything about the electronics he used in conjunction with the devices though.  I did see a post on Aaron's Gray Plug, where Powerme said he never used circuits as such.  So, I'm not exactly sure what he was doing.  I also saw in a more recent post where he said there were professional / industrial models of the piezo transducers available that  were fully tunable to the necessary specs.  In an even later post though, Powerme tells us to take care and not make it to complicated.  He's got a lot of clues out there but nothing has really clicked for me yet.  He also said in one post that it would be best for us all to got out and do our own research now instead of working with others.  Well, I'm glad we're working on this project as a team, because I'm not connected with my higher self yet and I need the help of others as we try to tie in all the loose ends here.

Thanks Powerme for all you have shared.  This is for sure a very interesting enlightening project.

Best Regards,
Slovenia

Any ideas?
==Romo

[superman9976]

Hello everyone

Thanks for all your efforts!  I love all the enthusiasm.  I was thinking the other night and did you think the reason there are two piezos in the water tank for running a 2.0L  motor is because they are two separate frequencies?  Like say what Mike is doing like one at say 45khz and one at 270khz?  Spacing of 6 times apart to fracture the water.  So then the crystals are adhered to some sort of sheets and hung into the tank?  This is going to magnify the effect?  The increase in voltage from 24 to 36 helps the piezo produce more(magnify the effect through the many more now oscillating crystals).

Chris

[Slovenia]

Hi Romo,

I'm unable to download your book package from Megaupload.  Thanks!!

Best Regards,
Slovenia

The books contained in "book package"
(Lemme know if the link goes down)
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=533MBGYE

Thank you for all your help so far,
==Romo

[Slovenia]

Hi Romo,

There are two really sharp electrical guys on Energetic who may be willing to help us briefly on the tuning of the China Piezo.  They have not been involved in this project as far as I know and are quite busy on other projects, but I have worked with them before and know them to be very good with electrical applications and such.  I think they are both inventors.  Their names on Energetic are Dragon & John_G.  Anyway, I will contact them ans see if I can spark any interest or help from them.

Best Regards,
Slovenia