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Practical Method for Production of Water Fuel with Piezoelectric

Started by The Power To Be, February 17, 2011, 06:11:02 AM

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Slovenia

Electronic Components Very Cheap
http://www.goldmine-elec.com/

They may have some of the components we need for our Pierce Circuit and/or other applications.

b_rads

@all
Please do not read this post as being too negative towards this project.  Possible some of you can take my observed failures and solve this riddle.  I attempted several experiments this weekend (albeit my set-up is very micro).  See below.  I ran tests of plain water, and water with crystals placed 3 different ways, with and without brass in the mix, varying the water level and air pressure.  I observed no gas being formed in any of the above experiments.  Primarily using the patent application, much time is devoted to crystal placement, nanotube sizes, crystal spacing.  I do not believe at this time that experimenters like me have the current ability to replicate this process.  Just because I might think I have a fairly good understanding of cell phone technology doesn’t mean that I can go into the shop with a soldering iron and some Radio Shack components and build one.  I will no longer pursue crystal generated hydrogen.  With that said, I do have promising results to share.  @Superman9976 and @petar113507, I think you guys are on to something.  I put powdered carbon into the water and using my setup with a bubbler, I got some very nice sparks in the exhaust.  Not enough to create a continuous flame but encouraging nonetheless.  I think blending hydrocarbons with water at fogger frequency is very doable and within the scope of a home experimenter like myself.  Best of luck to all the rest of you pursuing the crystal route.
Brad S

e2matrix

Brad S,  thanks for your contributions to this project.  Looks like a nice setup you have started.  Was that an ultrasonic cleaner before you added to it?  Sorry it didn't do much on this attempt.  I had the feeling this was not going to be an easy first-build-it-and-go project.  Easy maybe for those who understand the process and already have it working.  But as we know after following things like SM's TPU some very smart people have been at that for years and still almost no success.  Hitting on the exact rights set of ingredients may seem easy if you are lucky enough to find it in the first few tries or if you have access to the info you need (whether that info is from your higher self or the Internet) but it doesn't always work out to be easy for a lot of people. 

Cherryman

I was doing some knowledge refreshment.. and found something intresting on good old Wikipedia:

QuoteCrystodyne

In the early 1920s Russia, devastated by civil war, Oleg Losev was experimenting with applying voltage biases to various kinds of crystals for manufacture of radio detectors. The result was astonishing - with a zincyte (zinc oxide) crystal he gained amplification.[93][94] This was negative resistance phenomenon, decades before the tunnel diode. After the first experiments, he built regenerative and superheterodyne receivers, and even transmitters. However, this discovery was not supported by authorities and soon forgotten and no device was produced in mass quantity beyond a few examples for research. Crystodyne was produced in primitive conditions; it can be made in a rural forge - unlike vacuum tubes and modern semiconductor devices.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crystal_radio

TEKTRON

Because you are having so much trouble trying to affix your crystals to the horn or whatever,
I have thought of a better way to approach the problem.  ;D
Scrap the idea of pregrowing the ZnO crystals.
Electro-plate your parts with zinc metal and simply heat them with a torch in open air or in a kiln at  reduced atmosphere. The zinc will oxidize and crystallize leaving crystals bonded in place.   
Have a look at the first page of the patent app. See the Efficiency/Fiber Length graph? :o
The larger the crystals, the higher the efficiency. Crystal growth size can be controlled by time and temperature.  Copper or steel seem like good candidates for the horn and other parts to be plated because of their high melting points. A vacuum kiln would be ideal to control the oxidation reaction and crystal growth.  ;D