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Shorting coil gives back more power

Started by romerouk, February 18, 2011, 09:51:45 PM

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minoly

#440
March 30, 2011, 09:12:16 PM
Quote from: e2matrix on March 30, 2011, 12:10:54 PM
Nice job on that configuration Patrick.  I like the idea of triggering the shorting process by using a coil/transistor/cap setup that uses no battery!  I'll have to rewatch the vid but did you show what transistor you are using?  Also a question on the shorting coil as I thought you said it was air core (which I thought was best for this) but at the last few seconds it looked like it got sucked into one of the magnets when the wheel was still (which made me think there is an iron core of some sort).

Thanks, while we're using a coil w/ a welding rod core here, this can easily be accomplished with the Bedini Windowmotor type coil setup. you can even mix and match them, you just need enough voltage and amprage to put on the base of that transistor. you can use a resistor in there or very the proximity to the passing magnet if you have too much coil for the trigger. It's like an SSG out of jail free card - the trigger is free to be where ever it likes :-)

We used the MJE13009G, however, I'm sure many more will work. this is one of the many things on our list to test - SOA curve vs coil impedance. so we can find some optimal rule of thumb.
Thanks for checking it out.
Patrick

Tudi

#441
March 31, 2011, 03:41:45 AM
Thanks guys for the friendly feedback. What i was hoping is that i'm wrong. I see so many enthusiast that try hard to reproduce the Ismael Avisio self running car. But i was reading the acknoledgement of the technology and it only describes a good power usage from the storage device to the motor. From ismael talk he is using high voltage on low amps. I see no magic in this, this is a known thing in electronics to reduce the power disipation in the environment. He is simply using a Bedini motor for the conversion from low volts to high spiked voltage.
I would simply like to discuss the principles that people think this would make an over unity device. Having no magic formulas in it eliminates the chance of becoming an OU. Adding more and more parts to the circuit will probably lower the power conversion ration.
PS : i think that when making measurements all should be expressed as input power and output power. Not only a fraction of the power formula. It really pains me to see so many enthusiast people (with equipment i would not even dream to afford buying) to try to invent something that they cannot even measure.

PS: My personal goal is to try to convert as much environmental power as possible into electricity. With the best power conversion ratio. Devices like Ismael do improve the transmission of the power which is really great.

Arthurs

#442
March 31, 2011, 08:08:05 PM
The actual experiments in my conclusions:
    The title of this thread should not be called: "Shorting coil gives back more power", should be changed to: "Shorting coil increase higher voltage. " Because this method does not add more energy, only increased the voltage, but the current drop.

    If I have the opposite view and refute me, please show your real experimental data. Speak with the facts.

Bruce_TPU

#443
March 31, 2011, 08:52:07 PM
Quote from: Bruce_TPU on March 30, 2011, 09:44:10 AM
Tudi,

These individuals on this thread are experimenting.  The concept is based on Ismael's electric car.  Go find that thread, read through it.  Then experiment.  No one hear will give you what you want.  No one here is even close to that stage.  So please either experiment and post some information, or simply watch.

Thank you and have a nice day,

Bruce

Arthurs,

These individuals on this thread are experimenting.  The concept is based on Ismael's electric car.  Go find that thread, read through it.  Then experiment.  No one hear will give you what you want.  No one here is even close to that stage.  So please either experiment and post some information, or simply watch.

Thank you and have a nice day,

Bruce

(Sheesh, you guys need to chill and learn to add substantive things in your posts... Things that will add to the experimenters work.  So CHILL out and build something...  You want a fact....  I haven't seen you build or test anything on this thread.  So here is my idea... You build it, and test it the way you want, and report back to us here what you find.   ;)   )
1.  Lindsay's Stack TPU Posted Picture.  All Wound CCW  Collectors three turns and HORIZONTAL, not vertical.

2.  3 Tube amps, sending three frequency's, each having two signals, one in-phase & one inverted 180 deg, opposing signals in each collector (via control wires). 

3.  Collector is Magnetic Loop Antenna, made of lamp chord wire, wound flat.  Inside loop is antenna, outside loop is for output.  First collector is tuned via tuned tank, to the fundamental.  Second collector is tuned tank to the second harmonic (component).  Third collector is tuned tank to the third harmonic (component)  Frequency is determined by taking the circumference frequency, reducing the size by .88 inches.  Divide this frequency by 1000, and you have your second harmonic.  Divide this by 2 and you have your fundamental.  Multiply that by 3 and you have your third harmonic component.  Tune the collectors to each of these.  Input the fundamental and two modulation frequencies, made to create replicas of the fundamental, second harmonic and the third.

4.  The three frequency's circulating in the collectors, both in phase and inverted, begin to create hundreds of thousands of created frequency's, via intermodulation, that subtract to the fundamental and its harmonics.  This is called "Catalyst".

5.  The three AC PURE sine signals, travel through the amplification stage, Nonlinear, producing the second harmonic and third.  (distortion)

6.  These signals then travel the control coils, are rectified by a full wave bridge, and then sent into the output outer loop as all positive pulsed DC.  This then becomes the output and "collects" the current.

P.S.  The Kicks are harmonic distortion with passive intermodulation.  Can't see it without a spectrum analyzer, normally unless trained to see it on a scope.

Thaelin

#444
April 02, 2011, 04:46:35 PM
   Just finished with the re-programmed motor run of the F&P. Not really a speed demon but then doesn't have to be. Out put to charge coils is 10 v ac. So for the motor part, success. On to the coil shorting now. I will have 9 shorting circuits in all. Three sets of A,B, and C phase. Great when a plan starts to come together. Shorting has a quite a bite to it too.  ;D

thay
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