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Shorting coil gives back more power

Started by romerouk, February 18, 2011, 09:51:45 PM

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gyulasun

#100
February 25, 2011, 07:13:01 AM
Hi Romero,

Would you mind answering some questions.

1) What is the DC resistance of your generator coil (you mentioned it is fan motor coil from a microwave owen with its laminated core, right?) Normally such motor coils have some hundred Ohms copper resistance.
Do you happen to have an L meter to measure the inductance of this coil?

2) There is a yellow rectangular shape capacitor on this generator coil, I assume it is in parallel with the reed switch to reduce sparking?  If yes, then it eventually is in parallel with the gen coil, right? What is the capacitor value? 

3) Did you find any input drag increase when you tried to position the gen coil closer to the rotor magnets (to have bigger output voltage)?  [Here I am aware of the fact that once you fixed the reed switch onto the gen coil's side facing the rotor magnets, then if you place this coil closer or away from the rotor magnets then you unwantedly change the switch ON/OFF time too.]

4) Have you considered using a full wave bridge across the gen coil instead of the single diode? 

5) In the latest videos, did you have the recovery diode on the input battery side as you showed in your very first schematic in the first page of this thread?

Sorry for nagging you, I think these are important details...  ;)

Thanks,  Gyula


Quote from: romerouk on February 24, 2011, 06:03:53 PM
Test with measurements.
Shorting the coil seems that is not affecting the speed or the power used to drive the rotor.
I am working to replace the reed with mosfets and a hall sensor.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33IQaN-M27U

nilrehob

#101
February 25, 2011, 11:27:46 AM
I did this some time ago, very interesting it is,
but i believe a reed switch is too slow not to create a drag,
using a microcontroller for this is on my todo-list, (together with turning the magnets 90 deg)
maybe an arduino would work, but i would like to have a faster cpu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKYqblP5ieg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OZKE1dvrvE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nA6qVv4Ono0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ck4y70TGTqY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSONkDcl72g

/Hob

conradelektro

#102
February 25, 2011, 06:20:38 PM
@nilrehob:

I am impressed, you did a great job with your videos, outstanding. Much has become clearer to me. And one sees again, there is hardly a thing on earth which has not been tried by some clever person before.

Below please sea a frame I grabbed from one of your videos (and I added two red dots). Is the reed switched triggered at both dots (positive and negative peak of the quasi sine wave)?

I do not understand a reed switch well enough. Does the south AND the north pole of a magnet trigger a reed switch? (With hall sensors it depends on the type of the sensor.)

For me, the last video (the one with the LED) shows gain when shorting the coil. And since you heard a clear difference in the noise made by your rotor when shorting, the rotor could slow down faster with the reed switch (more breaking force induced by the coil), which would explain where the additional energy came from.

Microcontroller: I was thinking about using one, may be the new MSP 430 LaunchPad (I got four of them) is good enough (up to 16 MHZ)
http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/MSP430_LaunchPad_(MSP-EXP430G2)?DCMP=launchpad&HQS=Other+OT+launchpadwiki

Greetings, Conrad

Bruce_TPU

#103
February 25, 2011, 08:51:19 PM
Hi romero,

Think about this principle from Steven Mark and our work on the TPU.  You take ten thin individually insulated wires and wrap an input coil.  Parallel both ends of the ten strands each.  Now, not only is the output increased because the resistance is decreased, but you have taken the effect and multiplied it by TEN!


Double that to twenty, if you short the coil in the center of both the positive peak and negative notch.

That should drive it into OU territory.   ;)

Add another coil at the perfect distance across and parallel both coils, now you have dropped the resistance again and doubled the output from having two coils which is 40 times the power output that you started with.

Good success to you,

Bruce
1.  Lindsay's Stack TPU Posted Picture.  All Wound CCW  Collectors three turns and HORIZONTAL, not vertical.

2.  3 Tube amps, sending three frequency's, each having two signals, one in-phase & one inverted 180 deg, opposing signals in each collector (via control wires). 

3.  Collector is Magnetic Loop Antenna, made of lamp chord wire, wound flat.  Inside loop is antenna, outside loop is for output.  First collector is tuned via tuned tank, to the fundamental.  Second collector is tuned tank to the second harmonic (component).  Third collector is tuned tank to the third harmonic (component)  Frequency is determined by taking the circumference frequency, reducing the size by .88 inches.  Divide this frequency by 1000, and you have your second harmonic.  Divide this by 2 and you have your fundamental.  Multiply that by 3 and you have your third harmonic component.  Tune the collectors to each of these.  Input the fundamental and two modulation frequencies, made to create replicas of the fundamental, second harmonic and the third.

4.  The three frequency's circulating in the collectors, both in phase and inverted, begin to create hundreds of thousands of created frequency's, via intermodulation, that subtract to the fundamental and its harmonics.  This is called "Catalyst".

5.  The three AC PURE sine signals, travel through the amplification stage, Nonlinear, producing the second harmonic and third.  (distortion)

6.  These signals then travel the control coils, are rectified by a full wave bridge, and then sent into the output outer loop as all positive pulsed DC.  This then becomes the output and "collects" the current.

P.S.  The Kicks are harmonic distortion with passive intermodulation.  Can't see it without a spectrum analyzer, normally unless trained to see it on a scope.

akunkeji

#104
February 25, 2011, 10:54:14 PM
Two years ago, I have been in the experimental coils shorted, then used primary of transformer as storage inductor, is a static device. Can improve the efficiency of the charging capacitor.
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