Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011

[poynt99]

Sorry Stefan. I missed that voltage probe on the battery. I changed the battery voltage to 60V.

Here it is.

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[hartiberlin]

@poynt99

Looks like the battery is charging from the green line
with the small ripples.

All in all,
these circuits, which draw current from batteries and
also immediately return current via back spikes
can use batteries much more efficient.

If you draw low power from a battery bank in this way that for example
has 100 Amphours of capacity,
you will see, that you suddenly can draw draw 150 Amphours
of energy out of it, before the battery bank is discharged.

That is also the case in a good Newman coil or Bedini setup.
These negative spikes recharge the battery on the fly and make
them last longer, so they have a bigger capacity,
although you might have only charged them up with the
energy for 100 Amphours, you can then draw 150 Amphours out of it,
although the average mean current is still positive.

So the ou effect is more dependant on the right battery pulsing
and is happening INSIDE the battery as Mr. Bedini found out.

But in Rosemary´s test1  I would say from the burst envelope that
the scope had a negative input current value,
what also the mean digital numbers showed.

She really needs to take more and better scope shots to verify it in more detail.

Regards, Stefan.

[Rosemary Ainslie]

hello Steve,

I have finally 'got it' that you want a more detailed shot of the oscillating waveform during 'light' and 'heavy' duty modes.  Abject apologies.  Of course I'll do this.  Downside is that I'll need to unpack those batteries.  They're heavy - so can't do this myself.  But I'll have some help here tomorrow and will then set the experiment up.  I need to do this anyway.  It's just that I took timeout.  I'm just so sick of experiments. 

Meanwhile - I assure you that in those oscillations - heavy duty or light duty - ALL show a greater return.  I've avoided showing this precisely because that math trace and even the cycle mean show even greater negative voltages.  It's been impossible to try and reconcile all that excess.

I'm still not getting notification of posts here.  It's intermittant.  And I'm getting my emails through OK.  Could I impose on you to check this?

Kindest regards,
Rosemary 

[Rosemary Ainslie]

@poynt99

So the ou effect is more dependant on the right battery pulsing
and is happening INSIDE the battery as Mr. Bedini found out.

But in Rosemary´s test1  I would say from the burst envelope that
the scope had a negative input current value,
what also the mean digital numbers showed.

If I can get those spreadsheets to you I will Stefan.  The puzzle is this.  The instantaneous wattage analysis SHOWS a negative mean wattage.  This is in line with the math trace.  And the math trace is a product of instantaneous voltage across the batteries and the shunt.  I was given to understand that this is the result of the phase angle.  They're at 180 degrees in antiphase.  This means that when the battery is discharging the voltage (current) across the shunt is at it's lowest.  Correspondingly when the battery is recharging then the voltage (current) across the shunt is at it's highest.  In other words - that much ignored and discarded parasitic oscillation - is actually the system trying to 'give back' what was first delivered. 

I was also advised that the reason instantaneous analysis is required is PRECISELY because it takes these phases into account.  I keep saying this.  Those waveforms perfectly re-inforce each other and, while it's in that burst oscillation mode, then the advantage is to the supply source.  PLEASE NOTE this.  We all know the immediate effect of a strong current flow from the battery.  It tends to drop - certainly under standard applications.  Well.  We get that same drop when it goes into 'heavy duty mode'.  But INTERESTINGLY - and within minutes - it climbs right back up.  I'll try and video this as well.

I haven't even touched on the MANY different waveforms and effects that we found.  The MOST interesting is that we can get the battery voltage showing a negative voltage - with wild swings even showing up on the Digital multimeters.  Then there are 'burst mode' settings where there are intermittent and HIGH voltage oscillations during the 'on' period.  There's a world of interest there.  We only confined our tests for the demo to those two extremes as they represent the anamolies that need to be resolved relating to the applied measurement protocols.  I keep saying this.  If classical power measurement is based on the INSTANTANEOUS product of vi dt - then classical measurments most ASSUREDLY show a GAIN - notwithstanding that positive mean average on the shunt.  And Harti.  The mean average voltage is NOT the correct measure for wattage - ever.  It's what it is.  A mean average.  It ONLY applies to a DC supply.  And we do NOT have a DC supply once that switching kicks in.  Surely you know this?  Even Poynty et al concluded this in a rather lengthy debate on their forum.

And of even more interst is that it can, in fact, be tuned to show a negative mean even at heavier discharge.  I'll try and get a scope shot of this as well.  But we confined our demo to illustrate this precise point.  In other words 'classical' measurement protocol applied - results in a value that - at it's least - can be said to be anomalous.

Kindest regards,
Rosemary

BTW = many thanks indeed for adding those shots of Poynty's.

[Rosemary Ainslie]

So Rose, please try this, as it is very easy.
just instead of the function generator just get a power supply
and feed in a negative DC voltage to the Gates.

Regards, Stefan.

Hi again.  I missed this Stefan.  I need to speak to the guys at CPUT.  As it is they've given me an extended loan on the functions generator and I'm not sure that they'll also throw in a dc power supply.  But I'll certainly ask.  I've 'retired' from campus until I can arrange research funding - if possible.  The Lab I was working is is due to be modified and there's building work planned.  And we need to get this into a more dedicated research basis.  I know that one student wants to write a paper to disprove this.  It'll be interesting.  But we need to get things done more professionally than we've managed to date.  Everything's been done on a shoestring - and none of it funded.  And frankly it's cost me much more time than I can afford.  Hefty inroads into the savings.  But no regrets here. 

Be interesting if all it needs now is that DC supply.  I had no idea.  I'll get back here.  It's what I've been looking for.

Kindest again,
Rosemary