Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011

[happyfunball]

utilitarian - it's actually already a closed loop.  Just not that obvious.  But there's no 'easy fix' or no 'easy  proof' in the way you're hoping.  And I'm well aware of the fact that you ONLY want that proof.  Unfortunately - you'll have to bear with me.  I can only do my best - and I believe I'm doing it right.  I would love to do a razzamataz rabbit out the hat kind of thing.  But that would simply open a new can of worms - and then everyone will be talking 'battery types' and the entire focus will be off the physics principle and back to some kind of chemistry debate.  And those debates will take more than my life time to settle.

If I can simply get back on track here.  You're trying to get me to show you a small puddle of energy.  I'm trying to get everyone to see whole oceans of the stuff.  BUT.  If there were guarantees that in showing that puddle then we could move on to those oceanic views - then I'm definitely game.  It's just that I've pointed at the puddle for many many years.  And I now know that our experts are NOT interested in that argument.  They want an invincible argument - not something that may be guaged from a disputable chemical reaction.  And for that invincible argument then they need to look at those measurements.  It's only Poynty et al - who are debating this fact.  And that's because they can't dispute the measurements.  You see for yourself.  They're trying to prove that the measurements are irrelevant.  And if this were true - then science is irrelevant - based as it is on measurement. 

But I've told you the conditions under which I'll test that 'puddle'.  I'm happy to do so.  But for now - can we perhaps move on? 

Kindest regards,
Rosemary

What was in the canister? A powered heating element, or was it simply siphoning off heat, and was it submerged? If so, was the water temperature shown in the video? I see a fluke measuring resistor temperature, are they related? Kind of confusing.

[poynt99]

I am not sure why you guys are even arguing over measurements.  Who cares about measurements?  Just make it self loop and then it will speak for itself.  At over 17 COP, or infinite now, I think, how hard can it be to loop the output back to the input?  Even allowing for loss, at over 17 times efficiency, it should be easy to make a self runner.

Then no argument will be needed over how such and such is measured.

Your thinking has its merit, however looping is much more complicated than performing a straight-forward continuous test whereby the battery SOC is monitored over time. Even a grade-school student could see the merit in that.

The true issue is being skirted around for obvious reasons; Rose has no real confidence in her claims. What she needs to do is cut the crap and perform the test.

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[Rosemary Ainslie]

Your thinking has its merit, however looping is much more complicated than performing a straight-forward continuous test whereby the battery SOC is monitored over time. Even a grade-school student could see the merit in that.

The true issue is being skirted around for obvious reasons; Rose has no real confidence in her claims. What she needs to do is cut the crap and perform the test.

.99

My dear Poynty Point,

When you repeat the same posts time out of mind then it constitutes 'flaming'.  Could you kindly desist.  I will be reporting this to Stefan.  I have no intention of allowing you to corrupt this thread which is clearly your intention. 

WHEN YOU GIVE ME REASON TO PERFORM THAT BATTERY DRAWN DOWN TEST OR SERIES OF TESTS - BY FIRST ENSURING A GUARANTEE THAT IT WILL THEN CONSISTUTE ABSOLUTE AND FINAL PROOF REQUIRED FOR THIS EXPERIMENTAL EVIDENCE - AND AS IT RELATES TO THE THESIS - THEN I WILL PERFORM THAT TEST.  OTHERWISE I WILL NOT WASTE MY TIME.

Rosemary

[Rosemary Ainslie]

What was in the canister? A powered heating element, or was it simply siphoning off heat, and was it submerged? If so, was the water temperature shown in the video? I see a fluke measuring resistor temperature, are they related? Kind of confusing.

Happy read the report.  I'll post a link again.  I'll also try and find a picture of that element resistor. It was not in water.  It was in the canister to conform to the control tests. 

Regards,
Rosemary
http://newlightondarkenergy.blogspot.com/2011/03/report.html

[poynt99]

My dear Poynty Point,

I will be reporting this to Stefan.

WHEN YOU GIVE ME REASON TO PERFORM THAT BATTERY DRAWN DOWN TEST OR SERIES OF TESTS - BY FIRST ENSURING A GUARANTEE THAT IT WILL THEN CONSISTUTE ABSOLUTE AND FINAL PROOF REQUIRED FOR THIS EXPERIMENTAL EVIDENCE - AND AS IT RELATES TO THE THESIS - THEN I WILL PERFORM THAT TEST.  OTHERWISE I WILL NOT WASTE MY TIME.

Rosemary

Indeed, that would be a good thing. I think the readers would like to get Stefan's input here, as it is actually required at this point.

I have given you more than sufficient reason to perform the test. Your denial to do so is illogical and your reasons unfounded.

The desire here is for Rosemary to come clean. The goal I'm sure all the readers have here is to prevent this thread from languishing into the dog and pony show it is presently teetering on becoming. Give the readers the closure they deserve. Show some integrity and perform the test so the facts can be known once and for all.

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