Seeking funding for potential over unity device.

[Pirate88179]

I am ALWAYS very dubious about anyone that claims an OU device and asks for money without showing any proof whatsoever.  We have all seen this too many times and yes, it does give the energy research community a bad name.

Now, funding to continue research into a possible potential FE device?  Sure.  Why not.  Just as long as all is disclosed up front and the investors can see it is just not another take of a previously discredited device.

I believe it is up to us here in this community to Police ourselves.  I like the idea of a topic that examines all the the "real" OU devices being sold out there right now.  However, I would not want to be the Moderator on that topic as I am sure it could go to flame wars in like a millisecond or even less.

Most of us that have been around here for a while knows what is real and what is not but, a lot of folks do not.  We should think about how to possibly deal with this in a constructive manner.  Nothing makes me madder than to see ad on the net for "devices" that have been dis-proven here, and elsewhere.  This makes all of us look bad.

Bill

[z.monkey]

questioneverything,
Your not going to get anything from bigoil, military, or .gov. because they work very hard to stop FE...
They live at the top of the heap, and don't want you messin' with their status quo...

As for investors, well, they are into free energy, wind and solar are both big right now because they are practical, and proven, albeit with some caveats.  But investors don't like investing in something that is too big a risk.  If you can't show them a working device, and a way to make money with it, then that's that...

Mainstream Science?  LOL!  Academia lives inside an Adamantium box. They can't see out, can't get out, and oh yeah, got nice cushy jobs, don't wanna get out...

You wanna develop your device, whatever it is, then the first thing you are going to need is mad skills, son...

The biggest problem that I see with Garage Engineers is a lack of skills.  I want to build this widget, but don't have a clue how to do it.  The biggest cost associated with device development is labor.  When you have to pay someone else to build your widget it will cost a fortune.  If you have the skills to build your own stuff, then you are the labor, and you pay yourself.  When you get into a project you can engage your DIY super powers, and slice all kinds of money out of a project by doing your own labor...

Forget trying to patent an idea.  Sure it gets done all the time, but what happens when the idea isn't correct?  Don't even think about a patent until you have a working device.  Now we get to the second most important concept when it comes to device development, perseverance...  In order to develop you device into a product its gonna take a lot of time, and work.  You may have to make many revisions, perhaps even redesign everything, maybe even several times.  Your gonna need heaps of patients, and perseverance.  They don't call me Tenacious Z for nuthin'...

Now, take a look at how much money you think you need.  Then think about how long it will take to develop the device.  You need to be objective, and pragmatic here.  That is hard to do going into a project, but after a few projects you will start to get a feel for it.  Take the amount of money and divide it by amount of time, and look at the amortized dollars per unit of time.  If you need to make it cheaper, then add more time and re-amortize.  Work with this equation until you can make your device development project fit inside of the budget you already have.  You will be surprised, I know I am, looking backwards at more than 15 years of experimenting.

Sure, not everything you try is going to work, but it is experience.  Knowing what not to do, and what doesn't work is just as important as knowing what to do, and how to do it.  Failure is an impostor.  Failure teaches us what not to do, and what doesn't work.  But the effort required even to fail is far more than the effort required to do nothing.  This effort is what is required to turn theory into fact, especially in the area of energy.

I do like open source, information should be free, and not be able to be hoarded (black shelving).  The internet is making this a reality.  Once its on the interwebs its there for good, well, til the end of the internet anyway.  No one should be able to sell information.  Only products should be protected by a patents and not ideas...

So, just my two bits about how to develop a device without investors.  Take it slow, think a lot, measure twice before cutting, make it pretty, and have fun, because when you look back, after your device is a success, you will savor the memories of how you used your mind to build the future...

[questioneverything]

C'mon man...  Defense contractors like L******* and R******* et all have had these systems for 20+ years, probably more like 50 years.  At this point , I'm sure their technology is highly evolved nth generation full life cycle units, in full production for black budget.

No personal offense here, but Why would they care about converting a dead alternator to a high torque high RPM 3phase motor?    You are better off open-sourcing it if it's legit;  no one makes money off free energy.

As bolt says, and I agree, the days of the 80s and 90s are over.  No investor funds this stuff.  You want to create it, you have to fund it off your own spare change or with assistance of family and friends.  That's just the sad reality of the world we live in.

It's not about the motor, it IS open source, which you would have known if you had bothered to look at my blog post. Albert Einstein called you ignorant before you were even born.

"Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance."

It's about the generator design Nikola Tesla never documented. The motor was only a reference so people who have seen my posts will recognize it as me.

And it doesn't make you here look any better when you bash me in emails. It only gets the sender reported to the FTC, FCC, their email and internet providers under Megan's law as a cyber bully.

[questioneverything]

questioneverything,
Your not going to get anything from bigoil, military, or .gov. because they work very hard to stop FE...
They live at the top of the heap, and don't want you messin' with their status quo...

As for investors, well, they are into free energy, wind and solar are both big right now because they are practical, and proven, albeit with some caveats.  But investors don't like investing in something that is too big a risk.  If you can't show them a working device, and a way to make money with it, then that's that...

Mainstream Science?  LOL!  Academia lives inside an Adamantium box. They can't see out, can't get out, and oh yeah, got nice cushy jobs, don't wanna get out...

You wanna develop your device, whatever it is, then the first thing you are going to need is mad skills, son...

The biggest problem that I see with Garage Engineers is a lack of skills.  I want to build this widget, but don't have a clue how to do it.  The biggest cost associated with device development is labor.  When you have to pay someone else to build your widget it will cost a fortune.  If you have the skills to build your own stuff, then you are the labor, and you pay yourself.  When you get into a project you can engage your DIY super powers, and slice all kinds of money out of a project by doing your own labor...

Forget trying to patent an idea.  Sure it gets done all the time, but what happens when the idea isn't correct?  Don't even think about a patent until you have a working device.  Now we get to the second most important concept when it comes to device development, perseverance...  In order to develop you device into a product its gonna take a lot of time, and work.  You may have to make many revisions, perhaps even redesign everything, maybe even several times.  Your gonna need heaps of patients, and perseverance.  They don't call me Tenacious Z for nuthin'...

Now, take a look at how much money you think you need.  Then think about how long it will take to develop the device.  You need to be objective, and pragmatic here.  That is hard to do going into a project, but after a few projects you will start to get a feel for it.  Take the amount of money and divide it by amount of time, and look at the amortized dollars per unit of time.  If you need to make it cheaper, then add more time and re-amortize.  Work with this equation until you can make your device development project fit inside of the budget you already have.  You will be surprised, I know I am, looking backwards at more than 15 years of experimenting.

Sure, not everything you try is going to work, but it is experience.  Knowing what not to do, and what doesn't work is just as important as knowing what to do, and how to do it.  Failure is an impostor.  Failure teaches us what not to do, and what doesn't work.  But the effort required even to fail is far more than the effort required to do nothing.  This effort is what is required to turn theory into fact, especially in the area of energy.

I do like open source, information should be free, and not be able to be hoarded (black shelving).  The internet is making this a reality.  Once its on the interwebs its there for good, well, til the end of the internet anyway.  No one should be able to sell information.  Only products should be protected by a patents and not ideas...

So, just my two bits about how to develop a device without investors.  Take it slow, think a lot, measure twice before cutting, make it pretty, and have fun, because when you look back, after your device is a success, you will savor the memories of how you used your mind to build the future...

The gov has this tech and yes they want to keep it off the market. Which is why they will pay through the nose to hide it. They quit killing people a long time ago, and I'm already dying so theres nothing they can intimidate me with.

I tried to show them a working device, not OU, but a practical efficiency application. My motor design can also be used in reverse as a high output, high efficiency generator for standard and atmospheric windmills.

Skill is not a problem. I am a trained ASE mechanic with experience in metallurgy. I even smelt my own metals. It has nothing to do with skill on my part. I'm good enough to use straight up garbage to make working units.

According to USPO laws, anything claiming FE or OU can not be patented at all. I've been doing this for over 12 years. You think I haven't done my homework?

Money? It's not about the money. I built the motor/generator for less than $20, and can be built in less than a week. And this generator can be built for less than $150, in less than 2 weeks. The money is so I can resume Nikola Tesla's work. He never documented this generator, and I've already made vids of the coil tests, conventional and negative outputs.

I don't need money for this project, I need it for future projects FAR out of disability income budget.

Edison tried and failed nearly 1000 times to make the incandescent light bulb. When asked about it he said "I didn't fail, I found 1000 ways to NOT make a light bulb."

[questioneverything]

I am ALWAYS very dubious about anyone that claims an OU device and asks for money without showing any proof whatsoever.  We have all seen this too many times and yes, it does give the energy research community a bad name.

Now, funding to continue research into a possible potential FE device?  Sure.  Why not.  Just as long as all is disclosed up front and the investors can see it is just not another take of a previously discredited device.

I believe it is up to us here in this community to Police ourselves.  I like the idea of a topic that examines all the the "real" OU devices being sold out there right now.  However, I would not want to be the Moderator on that topic as I am sure it could go to flame wars in like a millisecond or even less.

Most of us that have been around here for a while knows what is real and what is not but, a lot of folks do not.  We should think about how to possibly deal with this in a constructive manner.  Nothing makes me madder than to see ad on the net for "devices" that have been dis-proven here, and elsewhere.  This makes all of us look bad.

Bill

I'm not asking for money for this project. This project is almost done and cost less than $150. It would be done by now but I had to move after my last landlord left me in the hall to die, and refused to tell me he lost the house and we were being evicted.

I need to find people who are interested in FUTURE work. But it does no good when no one comes to test it.

My device hasn't even been tested yet cause no one will come out. This was never documented by Nikola Tesla, and no one has tried a generator like this before. Assuming it's something thats already been busted without even knowing or seeing my device is ignorance.