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The Gabriel Device, possible COP=8

Started by Feynman, March 22, 2011, 04:07:09 PM

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Real Boots

Ok, so since nobody is saying anything about this tech or what happened here I am building a test device with large silicon steel toroid core with 18awg wire and 4 layers of 22awg low carbon weld steel as shell.  Just need top and bottom of shield then wind primary around shell.  I will use scope to check it out and get proper readings.  Any comments or tips are appreciated, will try and post more pics of build when I get the top and bottom layers of shell cut out but need some sheets 8 inches across to make the parts from first.  The inner core i am using is 7.2" od, 2.75" I'd and about 1.25" thick with 190 t main winding first layer.  Shell layers are insulated from each other with layer of clear tape to minimize eddy losses.  Major losses in steel will most likely be from hysterysis, magnetorestriction and of possibly losses from the saturation of shell. 
-boots

dieter

Real Boots,


that's looking good so far. Tho I have to say  I am a little concerned about the outer shelf not following the round shape of the coil.  Also, as the shelf as well as the core should be of the same material to remain predictable, and since the shelf construction is not so easy, I consider the Gabriel device a not so easy to make thing. Although with a ribbon of metglass it may be easy. Or some sort of core casting. 


If you however get unsatisfying output, then you may think about to use the original, simple Bi toroid transformer BiTT design by Thane Heins, that is the underlying principle of the Gabriel device. Tho, the Gabriel device is one elegant thing! Kind of like given by extraterrestals  :) .


The BiTT is a real thing , although it requires reactive power from mains AC. This may be for free on the bills, but it takes some Energy to provide this reactive power. I'd like to discuss, if in the end of the day there is real OU, when using reactive power with a power factor of near zero (which is what BiTT is about), or if it's just cheating on the bill.
The gabriel design also requires a certain operation power, so the inner coil and core will not affect the outer coil with shelf directly (other than inducing the current), furthermore the mass and permeability of the shelf needs to be higher than that of the core.


Regards


Real Boots

dieter;
thank you for the comments, also good to see someone is interested in this other than myself.  This build is meant as an experiment not a replication per say, just trying to get a feel for what tesla was describing for myself.  I am starting to doubt that this is indeed the same as the bitt by thane, I have built many versions of the bitt and only seen the described input current dropping upon loading secondaries when I was using cheap meter across shunt but when measured with scope it is clear that the distortions in the waveform are tricking the meter to think the current is dropping.  I am not convinced the bitt works as thane describes or claims. 
Have you seen clear evidence yourself that the bitt works as claims and is not simply measurement error? 
There are definitely some issues with the EM concepts and assumptions I was taught in schooling however or else the meg would be working wonders already.  Just trying to get a better grasp for myself of what is missing from my textbooks.  Will post as I get more built on this one. 
Cheers;
-boots

dieter

Real Boots,



Here's a simple test I've made, pimping a E core up to a BiTT core:

www.overunity.com/12794/re-inventing-the-wheel-part1-clemente_figuera-the-infinite-energy-machine/msg396221/#msg396221

What finally made the killawatt meter drop to zero, was adding a cap of a certain capacitance. As described there, the wall supply remained cool, even although the supply was connected to this 13 Ohm load,hat normaly would  be a 10x overload. Yet the output was useable, even more than without cap and core mod. Unfort. I got only a software scope with a mono mic input, so I cannot compare Voltage vs Current / Phase shift.

I totally agree with you about the text books, disguising and hiding the fundamental understandings. Even Steinmetz used simplified equations, to keep things on a accepted level, knowing that they were not really correct. Heaviside, an other early investigator of electricity, came to such controversal conclusions that the authorities forbid him to publish his work... even although he was a true academic.  So his writings may be interesting.

The BiTT theory is based on the assumption that the back magnetomotive force of the flowing current in the induced will bring the primary in phase,  which is basicly where I have to throw in a couple of question marks.

I do however know that I am just a hobbyist, but maybe that makes me explore the unexplored.

Looking forward to see more of your work.

Regards

MenofFather

Quote from: Feynman on March 22, 2011, 04:07:09 PM
The Gabriel Device, possible COP=8

Operation: Thane Heins effect based device.
Replication: None yet.
Closed-loop: Not attempted, can fry the windings without input current control circuitry.  (i.e. inverter, battery charger , and battery)
Independent Verification:  The Heins' effect has been independently verified, but Klingelhoefer's implementation has not.

Input: 120VAC at 0.5Amp
Output: 120VAC at 4Amp


You can read my comments to this in the Thane Heins thread here
Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7833.msg278868#new

I will be attempting replication and am in contact with David Klingelhoefer. Exciting stuff.

Let's hope it's not a measurement error, but I have high hopes.

Cheers,
Feynman
"From pes "Without a load on the secondary, the primary circuit consumes 420 watts (3.5 amps at 120 volts) as displayed by the power meter plugged into the wall. As he adds loads (usually lights) to the secondary, something very interesting happens. The primary current starts to drop! Actually, the more load he places on the secondary, the less power the primary consumes. He has been able to get the primary circuit power consumption down to 60 watts (.5 amps at 120 volts) while outputting 480 watts (4 amps at 120 volts). [/size]His output is 800% that of the primary consumption!"[/size]

What be load?