The Gabriel Device, possible COP=8

[JouleSeeker]

  Thanks for the responses and sharing and the good work, especially Mav and Mags and others.  I do think that humanity will get much farther by working openly -- rather than going for patents.  Ask Dr. Moray (or his son) what he thinks of patents and government inspectors!

Magluvin wrote a while back:

I have had thoughts of different geometry...  The idea was to use a rod core with a pipe shell, and caps on the end to connect the core to the outer pipe shell. 

  I like the great simplifying factor here of a linear geometry.  Not sure that "caps on the end to connect the core to the outer pipe shell" is a good idea, but worth a try with and without the caps to see which works better.   And if one gets OU in any case.
Any results to share, Mags?

[Magluvin]

Hey

I havnt gotten to this yet. Been thinkin on it though.

Ive done some revamping of my project bench. Almost done.

Im still under the belief that both the primary and secondary are attracted to the larger volume of attractive, non saturated mass, inner core. And, if the primary near or saturates the shell, the sec wont see the shell as an obstacle anymore, or attractive item, just like Orbo. 

Many questions.  If the inner core were not in the shell, would the primary flux still be wanting or able to extend in the, umm, inner area?  Or is the inner core necessary to allow the primary breach of the shell but not the sec?

Its a shame it doesnt just work. Like a common transformer config, nearly any variable gives some transformable results.

This has to be made for the purpose intended. Naturally most will try(want) to achieve a device that is plug and play(ac house currents).

I think the inner core should be of near or best quality. And if near or less, then larger(volume) cores.  The shell and various winding to get it right stuff may not be so critical, or at least not impossible. ;]

If the inner core is fairly unsaturated during operation, most of the sec flux may never see the shell , let alone go beyond it. I only see it happening if the sec current is high enough to do it.

Hey Mav. Does the shell get hot?  I suppose it would be hard to say if the majority of the heat from the shell is from heated windings or eddies.  Even with the shells insulated from each other, I can imagine some circular currents in the shell pieces.  Not saying things cant work as prescribed. Not really saying it can yet either.  Its just questionable as to ifs and whys.

Im rounding up stuff for projects.  1 is peltier barrier stuff. 

They seem to generate a good amount of output for their square area. Say for a solar panel. Tito had posted a few vids from yt on the subject.  Seems you can build a setup that the hot side sinks capture sun heat, and the device can power a fan to cool the cold side and output power.
Picked up some cpu sinks, 2 copper thin fin, and 2 thick fin aluminum, all with their own fans.
Had this pelt chip from a car cooler for a year now and just getting to trying stuff.

Ill be around.  ;]

Mags

[Mavendex]

Only when I had smaller guage wire did it heat up, and it was the wires that heated not the shell.

but obviously she is going to heat overtime.

[Jack Noskills]

How about using Litz wire for primary winding ? They come in many size, even over thousand strands in a single wire. Imagine that for 100 turns over steel shell, 100 000 turns. Could it crank up the impedance on the primary side so high that current limiters are no longer required ? Might be useful to use Litz wire in secondary side too.

BTW, Magnetec has new core material available, Magneperm. It has higher permability than nanoperm, highest being 450000.

[JouleSeeker]

Only when I had smaller guage wire did it heat up, and it was the wires that heated not the shell.

but obviously she is going to heat overtime.

Thanks Mav -- what gauge wire did you use?  (the early diagram calls for 16 AWG)
Also, about how many windings did you have on sec and on primary?

Can I ask -- HOW are you measuring input power AND output power?

Thanks, Mags -- hoping you get your build going soon.  Looking forward to your results.  I'd like to try the cylindrical geometry you suggest also.

Should one use layered core sheets (and for the "pipe") -- to inhibit Eddy currents?
(Steven J)