Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.

[mondrasek]

Wayne,

Would you be willing to host a visit by TK?

TK,

Would you be willing to visit Wayne and examine him and the device face to face?  What would you need to make that a reality?

Just a thought.

M.

[mrwayne]

Thanks for your response... but... no.

You are the one making a claim, I think, of overunity performance. It is actually up to YOU to put numbers on your claim, numbers that are standard and interpretable. Work, or equivalently energy, that is, Force x Distance, is the conserved quantity. You have not, as far as I can see, ever answered with numbers that would allow us to know the ratio of work input to work output. Yet, for a claim of overunity performance to be credible, this information must be known, in those terms, by "somebody" along the chain of analysis. Surely your engineers know the answer and can put it into the form required for others, classically trained and straitjacketed by our educations, to understand it.

How much energy, or equivalently, how much work must you do to produce your six inches of stroke at 3.7 times per minute? And how much energy, or equivalently, how much work do you recover from your 30 cu in of hydraulic fluid at 640 psi?
You have left out something critical: with what force must you push, over what distance, to obtain a flow of 30 cu in at 640 psi?

It's not up to your skeptics to provide you with information. Rather, if you really want to convince people that you've got what you claim, then you should be ready and willing to meet all their reasonable objections and questions with solid answers that are interpretable and make sense. I agree that the people who simply drop "stink bombs" and run away are not necessarily useful. But people like microcontroller, Seamus 10n, and myself are asking you to support your claim with real data... that's all. And we are telling you that, so far, your data are not providing that support. You should actually be thankful for that.... because at the very least we are making, or asking, you to firm up your argument, like a rehearsal for the "big time" exposure you'll be getting "when" your system is fully proven.

I am sorry for your position,
The Skeptics I have meet did their own analysis.

You asked the question - and the answer requires the same language be used.
It is as simple as that - I have given the answer over and over in my "nomenclature", So has Webby, So has Larry, So has Phwest and others.

All of us have just tried to make it simple for you and the others.

How much education does someone need to determine how much work can be done with a known volume, known pressure, and a known time. Highschool - I am sure you are taking a stand - you may be busy.

Yet I watch as some argue that using 15 cubic inches @ 640psi to generate 30 cubic inches @ 640psi in the same time frame - is not overunity - or not using the right words to describe - that we have 15 cubic inches extra - every stroke - 3.7 times a minute.

The patent is online - and has been discussed in great detail here - and I have submitted myself to answer questions -respectfully.
I have Very Good PE's (engineers) Brilliant in fact - and many others have visited from around the world - here in Chickasha Oklahoma - They have prepared a brilliant presentation.
You were offered an inside peak.
If what I share - is too much trouble...not worth your effort... I understand - if you think you are teaching me to present to a Critically educated Crowd - We have good people for that.
I am just the inventor of the Z.E.D. who tried to share with those that would listen, get their hands wet, crunch a few simple numbers.

Good Day.

Wayne Travis

[TinselKoala]

@Mond:

It's a thought all right, and since I'm in San Antonio it wouldn't be a huge trip. Unfortunately... or maybe fortunately... for us all I'm not able to travel right now.

I am waiting to hear about MD's visit and evaluation.

I'm also kind of bemused at the 2000 dollars. Although I wasn't ever in the running.... and I'm not knocking Webby's efforts at all, I think they are great.... I'm really not sure just what was produced that was worth that much money. It's not quite a pushbutton demonstrator of overunity yet, is it? And I thought that was what was required for the reward.

We've got a bit of history, mondrasek and I, don't we? We had some fun back in the day, and I still think that Mondrasek magnet-assisted gravity motor you designed and I built is the closest thing to a "working" gravmag motor I've seen yet, especially with the JK "latch" wires. All it needs is some negative-friction lube for the magnetweights and it would go like gangbusters.

[mrwayne]

Wayne,

Would you be willing to host a visit by TK?

TK,

Would you be willing to visit Wayne and examine him and the device face to face?  What would you need to make that a reality?

Just a thought.

M.

Hello M,

I do not recall TK ever being a Disinformationist, baiter, overly arrogant, or attacking. Welcome - if it is not too much trouble.

Most anyone who is of the spirit to actually discover what we have is welcome.

Let me answer broadly....

On my list of Not Welcome:

Mark Euthanasia - another forum - Lied repeatedly about us and our members and refused to apologize after he was repeatedly caught in them.

Milehigh - Microcontroller, Seamus101 and 102, Never offered a contributing word - and mocked the truth at every page.

Nor the guy who made the video of lies, slander and insults - what ever his name was.

On my list of welcome - people who really want to know the truth, I very much respect those that take the time from their busy schedule to see.

Who I don't care for - only had one so far - who refuse to believe what is backed up by the simple math, the complex math, and the physical proof - Who needs a dogmatic denial? Seen enough here.

What I will not share - our business plans, our improvements, who is helping us and our new patents.

Other than that - fair game - several who have visited reported here on this site to that effect.

Wayne Travis

[TinselKoala]

Well, MrWayne, you sound a bit "tetchy" today.

Yet I watch as some argue that using 15 cubic inches @ 640psi to generate 30 cubic inches @ 640psi in the same time frame - is not overunity - or not using the right words to describe - that we have 15 cubic inches extra - every stroke - 3.7 times a minute.

As far as I am aware this is the first time that you have come close to stating work in / work out in actual measurable numbers. Has anyone _actually_ argued that those numbers you cite would not be overunity performance?

I think that what has actually been argued is that an input stroke of, say, 10 pounds of force over 15 inches of stroke, output producing a 20 pound lift force over 7 inches of stroke, is not overunity performance. But this is a different form of argument from what you are stating.

But even here you are stating it as a hypothetical.  Is this really your claim? If someone were to take a single one of your Zeds at a resting state, and inject 15 cubic inches of hydraulic fluid or water at 640 psi, will you really get 30 cubic inches at 640 psi back out?

ETA: I'm not hostile or rabid. I have said before that I've suspended disbelief and I'm taking MrWayne at his word... but I'm still trying to find out to my satisfaction just what the "word" really is. Are we dealing with a force multiplication system or a work amplifier? Very different beasties.

And I don't know anybody who has ever been able to figure out how to build a complex apparatus from a patent. What's needed for builders are engineering drawings with measurements, and dynamical analyses, and all that there stuff.