Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.

[mrwayne]

I agree wholly,

If you have read my letter on my web site - you understand where I stand on that same issue.

I would say that our ZED is a possibly a hybrid - at least mentally until fully understood.

Yes it appear to be a Black box supplying power - but if you remove one key ingredient - it does not work.
Gravity.

And if you turn up Gravity - our system works better.

The hybrid part comes in when gravity effects what is inside the box - naturally.

Now, when I shared this last time - an argument was made that Gravity was a Conservative field.

This is the point of our ZED, we have found a work around - the conservative field.

A very effective "work around" Gravity is our wind - just a little more predictable.

Thanks for your input.

Wayne

[TinselKoala]

@webby: Ah, I understand now. It's not that you can't push down, it's what happens when you do . Yes, this is a problem in my TinselZed in the PerPump too, but in my case it's caused by the restricted travel of the riser/pod I think. When it hits the top stop there is still plenty of pressure coming in so it "blows the skirt"... I think that's the right term.  You can see this in my output stream as a periodic fluctuation as the wasted pressure bubbles out beneath the riser's wall.
Just like in a Stirling cycle engine, it appears that the volumes and pressures have to be matched carefully and a bit of "inertia" or flywheel effect is needed. And I think that what MrWayne is describing is a sort of "overcenter" effect, where the system has to be driven that last little bit to get it past some compression or resistance before it springs back to the start of the cycle. Maybe. I'm having trouble with my translator these days.

[wildew]

I have to over compress the risers with mass to start the reverse lift process,, HOW can *I* get rid of that problem.

@Webby1 - THANK YOU for that comment ! - It may have greatly improved my understanding of the system by making me think about a comment of ( I think yours ) and several of Wayne's.

"Control the POD and you control the system." - Was that you? Deserves much more consideration... When you mentioned pressing down on the risers it made me review Wayne's test bed and remember that his "down-stroke energy input" is applied to the.... POD! by applying hydraulic up force to the convoluted bag of the sinking ZED ( at the same time down force is applied to the convoluted bag of the rising ZED ) - forcibly transferring the "post free-flow" pressure from the falling ZED to the one being readied to rise.

In a latter post you did comment that the POD had sunk but that the risers were still up. Is it possible your whole rig is too light? That sounds like the air is decompressing too much and not allowing the differentials to realign to the down position.

Maybe this starting to really make sense, maybe I'm just nuts. It "feels" like it's coming together for me....

Dale

[mondrasek]

back the system up,, make it go in reverse, use the risers to lift my piston.

Simple thought would be that the system should be able to work in both directions, it does but only sort of.

When the lift stops and the piston is down and risers up I can push on the risers and move them down and that lifts the piston, but when I do that I get to a point very quickly where I am compressing the risers to the point of blowing air out from underneath them, if I try and balance the system nicely and push slowly I see the risers go down before the piston goes up.

So, in one direction of operation I can measure the masses, measure the distance of travel and all that, in the reverse condition the values so far are not the same and I am trying to get to a point where the numbers can be compared and viewed correctly. 

Why am I needing to add force to the risers to lift the piston when the system is in a state of balance?? Why do the risers change a little when lift stops?? Why is the lift head higher than the holding head?? these are the things I am currently looking at.

@webby1, this is the most intersting observation that I've seen posted in quite a while.  Please let us know what more you learn about this apparent anomaly.

M.

[TinselKoala]

Might as well watch something entertaining, while we are waiting for more demonstrations from visitors or replicators or whomever.

PerPump v 2.2 pushes over 13 1/2 inches of water head.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3UGTyc36f4

I used top secret information leaked (no pun intended) to me by C...........o and incorporated it into the PongChamber, which nearly doubled the output power performance of the self-powered tabletop water pump.

"sorry about the light" and the shaky camera work... the silly thing wouldn't start at first, and then the down tube came unplugged, and then I had my marks on the wrong side of the measurement tube. But I finally did get a measured 13 1/2 inch head above the fountain outlet, and also showed the nicely increased internal pressure afterwards. This pressure could probably be used to push down on the TinselZed of another pump, resetting it, if you had somebody smart enough to figure out the valvulation required.

Koalas don't do valvulation, much, except electronically.