Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.

[mondrasek]

You can cycle the same pressure/volume change back and forth, putting in work to offset your losses.... but you can't take any work out of the system unless you cause some pressure or volume change _somewhere else_ outside the system.

And if this is not the case we have the "ZED Paradox?"

I'm just wondering.  Just because my own experiments are acting so weird so far.  But getting to a stable setup with enough instrumentation to have reasonably accurate results has been delayed quite a bit.  I blame work.  Well that, and real life (vacation!)

I've got the digital mass scale and a digital indicator on a mag base (for ZED rise measurements) set up now.  Also installed the independent air line into the bottom of the Pod chamber a la webby1.  It appears that I have a stable lift and measurement system right now (repeated only twice) but was interupted to play baseball with the 4 year old.  The pitcher has to aim very carefully to make sure she gets a hit!

I need about a week off from work to get this done!  But I would also need Dale's build to do it right...

M.

[wildew]

@All - that have been supportive and / or complimentary about my efforts so far.
I'm not real good at showing appreciation and tend to be quite anti-social... but, THANK YOU!
The comments and input are very appreciated.
If I don't respond or acknowledge,,, please don't take it that I don't care, I do.

Dale

[TinselKoala]

TK,

Who has said that there is "extra" created, I have not said that nor infered that, there is no extra pressure and no extra volume created, if there were then mass or energy would be being created or destroyed,, not allowed AFAIK.

You imply, I infer. (Or rather you didn't imply, so I didn't infer.) Other than that, I have no argument with you.

It's MrWayne, I believe, who is saying that mass or energy is being created, by his self-running double Zed with new and improved Hydro Assist that doesn't need bags or pumps. And since we can apparently rule out the creation of mass -- everybody knows that's just silly, right? .... since there isn't any exhaust... there must be energy created. But how? Isn't it due to pressure being transferred from one Zed to the other? 

I do find it ironically odd, though, that some of the same people who balk at the creation of mass, seem to have no problem with the creation of energy. They both boil down to the same thing in the end, so I don't see why there should be any difficulty.

[Red_Sunset]

I do find it ironically odd, though, that some of the same people who balk at the creation of mass, seem to have no problem with the creation of energy. They both boil down to the same thing in the end, so I don't see why there should be any difficulty.

Gents, lets be constructive here,

It looks like the tables have changed, life tends to be circular.  It appears to me all guess work what is currently presented here. Nobody seems even to remember what has been presented before in this tread. If you say that Wayne made the statement "Energy is created in the ZED", lets not even go to "Mass creation", then please refer to that post for reference. It can be categorically stated that he never said that.  You know what he said if you care to know... 
From what I read, there appears to be an inkling of believe remaining in this tread that Wayne discovered something new... So why reinvent the wheel or beat around the bush, just go to the source for the knowledge.

Proposed solution
The dilemma you are in needs a positive outlook in order to get out of your stalemate. Drop for a moment the steadfastness to Thermodynamics (you can always come back to your principle believes later, nothing is lost). 
The fastest way to find the answers to your questions is to go back and read, analyze all the mails from Wayne and with the additional knowledge you have already gained, you would have no difficulty to reach the answers that will disclose he magical Pandora's box of the Zed principles (travis effects) that he discovered and that can create OU.

This is my best advice

[Red_Sunset]

I'd expect Mr Wayne will be along shortly to explain how the water in Oklahoma expands and contracts by at least 50%...while remaining a liquid.
Such voodoo would appear to be dangerous ground indeed for someone who would otherwise expouse solid christian business ethics...

Seamus,

WHERE IS YOUR SCIENTIFIC REBUTTAL THAT THE ZED CAN NOT CREATE OU ? 
Throwing the thermodynamics book at it from 10ft away does not do it, neither do the religious hocus/pocus or the other silly comments get you of the hook.  I think we have been reasonable in our waiting

Please do not let me believe that you are a ........?  I still have faith in you until proven different.

Michel