Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.

[TinselKoala]

The video is up on YouTube now.  I apologize after watching it for the several times I "misspeak" and do not hit the correct lift values during the rushed commentary/experiment.  But I believe this video still shows that I was not making up the data I posted earlier.

Let me know if there are specific experiments or measurements that you would like to see from this setup.  I can't promise anything, but will do what I can (because I can).

M.
http://youtu.be/YwXsoqm75WY

Nobody is accusing you of making up data! However it is always possible that you may be taking the wrong data, or interpreting it incorrectly, or otherwise misusing the experiment, inadvertently of course.

OK, here's what I'd like to see. A long lever, with a valve at the fulcrum and the short arm on the piston where your heavy weight is, and the long arm with a reservoir on it. When the piston is UP the reservoir is down and the valve allows the water to run out the outlet into the reservoir. This then allows the piston to come DOWN, lifting the reservoir up to where the water can flow back into the Zed and raise the piston. (Here's where you may need another Zed system..... else how do you actually raise that water?)
OK for the demo for you to operate the valve manually, and even to restrain things at the bottom and stop to allow the drainage to happen ( a "phase shift" of sorts.)
If you are producing excess work, especially a factor of 16 to one, you should easily be able to make a self-runner, with you just working the valve at the appropriate time and holding things back when necessary by operating simple latches.

One question: in your video apparatus the input and output tubes are different. Is this necessary or just a matter of convenience? Are they plumbed to the same or equivalent pressure environments in the Zed?

[TinselKoala]

Hi TK,

We both know how a transistor works.

From my POV the base argument against the functionality of this system is the same as saying that the current that can pass through a transistor is only the current applied to the gate.

Another one is the recovery,, again, from my POV it would be the same as a statement that if 3 capacitors were charged in series and one cap was discharged that all the caps loose their potential, this is what you have said, that the system has no potential stored that can be used,, and yet others are mentioning that they need to VENT pressure to get the risers to drop,, notice that that is NOT add power but VENT.

Simple stuff really.

Argh. Simple, really -- I don't agree with your analogies. The base of a bipolar transistor or gate of a mosfet controls a much larger current flow between the collector and emitter, or drain and source. There is a _power supply_ providing the larger, controlled current. Where is the power supply in the Zed?

When you vent something out of a system, the internal pressure decreases. It will _never_ get back to where it was before unless the "something" is replaced, whether you are talking charge pressure in a capacitor, or air/water pressure in a Zed. Vent all you like, but to restore the initial state of the cycling system you will need to add power by stuffing back in what you vented, or create new matter within the Zed. Use one capacitor to charge another, and what happens, energetically?

[TinselKoala]

OK - I have a minuteRelativity...  what CAN be measured as anything other than a difference?

You are playing with the meaning of the term "relative" here.

Take a pressure gauge under the water to a specified depth. Point it in any direction and note the reading. It does not change, whether you are pointing it up, or down, or sideways. I don't care whether your gauge is calibrated in PSI absolute, or PSIG, or atmospheres of Mars, it will still read the same no matter the orientation. This is a pressure, NOT relative to orientation and thus NOT capable of producing movement since the forces exerted by this pressure are balanced.
Now take the same gauge and measure the pressure at the bottom of a pod, and the top of the pod. Subtract the smaller number from the larger number. This is a pressure _differential_ , a different thing than a pressure.

It's interesting, though, that this pressure differential with height is there, whether there is a displacer present or not. The water itself experiences the same pressure differential associated with difference in depth. Yet it does not spontaneously rise up and begin circulating because of it.

[TinselKoala]

Item of interest:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xi9KLLtmJKA

[TinselKoala]

@Webby: The bollard is Mondrasek's first market! With a 16-to-1 lift ratio, you would have to stand out of the way as it popped up of its own accord, then lowered itself gently back down when no longer needed and unlocked. In fact, you could power a linear alternator with the pop-ups and use it to run your sausage stand on the corner.

Come on, focus on the numbers ! Sixteen to one! Eight to one overunity!

Yet nobody has a self runner yet, not even MrWayne.... not even you. And Mile High has "hinted" and then explained why the numbers have been misleading you.

You can use all kinds of math, not make any arithmetic errors, and still be completely wrong in your conclusions if you are using the incorrect model to describe your events, and this very thing has happened before, several times, for several years and millions of dollars, with smarter people than any of us... simpler math too. So when I "focus on the numbers" that we are seeing currently, I also focus on the inconsistencies.... like the fact that the large calculated OU ratios we are seeing are not compatible with the actual behaviour of the apparatus.

When you discharge a cap _into another identical uncharged cap_, what happens to the energy?