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Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.

Started by mrwayne, April 10, 2011, 04:07:24 AM

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mondrasek

Pic is to show the "Top Stop" I came up with for the next configuration I wanted to achieve to continue testing.  It sits a mm or more above the top of the maximum location that the *loaded* ZED achieved in the cycle in the previously reported test data.  So I cannot repeat or do any more testing on that previous setup.

I had to setup again with a new precharge due to the change in the desired stroke range in this configuration.

M.

wildew

Thanks for that Larry
I will note and study - good spot at the start of a new page too  ;D

I did the swap from the 8Lb load back to the 24 and re-ran the cycle: same result as the original 24 Lb test.
This, combined with your timely re-post from Wayne might be helpful. I also grabbed the video cam while taking the 4 steps to the shop and shot the test, pretty rough and embarrassing - maybe it will help reinforce the point, maybe not.

I do need to add a couple of notes correcting myself.... script writers!, sheesh...

Won't be available for an hour or 2, crappy Internet today, but  http://youtu.be/EtTIE8dztM8
Dale


For What It's Worth
Dale

TinselKoala

Quote from: LarryC on September 30, 2012, 02:21:59 PM

My Post:
Attached is a new Non Linear Analysis section in my 3 Riser calculator showing PSI, Travis Force, Hydraulic Force, and Water Height Pod retainer as a small model is loaded from Sunk precharge to Final precharge. The Hydraulic Force/PSI shows it is linear, Travis Force / PSI shows it is not linear, varying slowly. More important is the greater slope of the Travis to the Hydraulic. Travis doubles the output difference from Sunk precharge to Final precharge. The chart has 289 data points.


Jumping to conclusions again. What i stated was:  The Hydraulic Force/PSI shows it is linear, Travis Force / PSI shows it is not linear, varying slowly. They were not shown in the original graph so I attached a new chart below.


The numbers don't seem to match because there is 289 Rows of data.


The important part of the original graph as stated:   More important is the greater slope of the Travis to the Hydraulic. Travis doubles the output difference from Sunk precharge to Final precharge.


That is amazing, of course this would only be important to the open minded who would try to understand why.   


Regards, Larry

What is amazing is the way that you present your data.

You state a "nonlinear analysis" and you show an unlabeled graph and a data table, all of which show perfectly linear relations.

Only AFTER I point out what I see, do you then tell us that your published data table is incomplete and that the x-axis in your graph goes far beyond what you have shown in the table, and that the "nonlinear" relationship only occurs between two derived variables, over the full data set.

This of course would only be important to people who are actually trying to communicate, rather than obfuscate, their results.

TinselKoala

Quote from: wildew on September 30, 2012, 04:45:48 PM
Care to comment on or relabel as fitting 1 through 4 in the illustration attached for clarity?
Dale
Is the blue stuff water? And is a "unit" a rectangle block? And at the top of the diagram it says "19 units water".

In #1 I count 18 units.
In #2 I count 19 units.
In #3 I count 17 units.
In #4 I count 21 units.

??



TinselKoala

@mondrasek: Looks good.... I might have used a different material for the stop ring, but my scrap pile is undoubtedly differently assorted than yours is.
What's the little electronic circuit to the left? I'm guessing it is the power supply for your LED illumination?

Now if you could only figure out a lever - and - cam system to raise and lower your input reservoir, working off of the rise and sink of the riser....

;)