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Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.

Started by mrwayne, April 10, 2011, 04:07:24 AM

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Red_Sunset

Quote from: wildew on October 31, 2012, 06:17:33 AM
@R_S
From the referenced post:Reduces fluid input and pressure but the symbols ">" show greater than?

It appears that what you're try to say is that the lift takes (more or less) input energy than standard hydraulics and the energy returned by the sinking weight is the same. That the real benefit - and what we are searching for - is the energy stored in the fluid being returned during the sink?

Just trying to be clear
Dale

Sorry, You are right, looks like a oops slip of the pen,  correction be below

It appears that what you're try to say is that the lift takes (less) input energy than standard hydraulics and the energy returned by the sinking weight is the //same// more. That the real benefit - and what we are searching for - is the energy stored in the fluid being returned during the sink?

Correction:  Message #2789 on page #186 should read
Fluid energy input is  <1000kg x 1mtr =  "less than 1000KgMtr"

For doing the descend we have the ability to use an effective different lift area, we choose to descend the weight with an extreme effective reduced piston lift area of 0.1SquareMeter (as an example only). The ram cavity remains unchanged at 1000 liter (kg) of fluid (the pressure is now 10x more, 10,000kg/SqMtr or 1kg/SqCm).
The fluid output is exhausted at 10x the standard pressure, containing 10x the energy level.
Fluid energy output is 10,000Kg/SqMtr x 1mtr = 10,000KgMtr

wildew

Thanks for clearing that up.
That's what I thought you intended.
Dale

MT

Quote from: Red_Sunset on October 31, 2012, 06:34:13 AM
Sorry, You are right, looks like a oops slip of the pen,  correction be below
For doing the descend we have the ability to use an effective different lift area, we choose to descend the weight with an extreme effective reduced piston lift area of 0.1SquareMeter (as an example only). The ram cavity remains unchanged at 1000 liter (kg) of fluid (the pressure is now 10x more, 10,000kg/SqMtr or 1kg/SqCm).
The fluid output is exhausted at 10x the standard pressure, containing 10x the energy level.
Fluid energy output is 10,000Kg/SqMtr x 1mtr = 10,000KgMtr
Sorry, what is meant by ram cavity here?
Marcel

Red_Sunset

Quote from: MT on October 31, 2012, 08:27:49 AM
Sorry, what is meant by ram cavity here?
Marcel

Hi Marcel,
Good picture, the ram cavity is where the fluid is kept that interfaces with the lift surface.
Lets now call the weight of the car 1000kg and the lift surface below the car 1SqMtr and that would make 1000ltr fluid requirement to lift the car 1 mtr. high.
Now apply the examples shown.  Remember that the magic for case #2 is in the lift surface.
And use a little imagination with pixie dust (forget about the pink unicorns for a while, they have a negative vibe)

Xaverius

Quote from: Red_Sunset on October 31, 2012, 02:23:46 AM
Xaverius & MileHigh, (& Seamus, & Fletcher, & PowerCat & all)

Physics book theory is known, good and well.
We know that a OU concept must take what is written to a new level (let it be an expansion or exception level). 
Message #2789 on page #186 addresses this possibility in a practical theoretical way.
What is your opinion and analysis of possibilities assuming we can technically master the reduced piston area in case #2 in the same enclosure?. 
Your technical learned comments will be more beneficial to this forum than general comments and physics theory recalls.

So what is your opinion, reasoning, view and on what basis do you take that position?
My statement was geared toward supporting wayne's theory of OU.  The fact that the laws of nature cannot be broken, but can be "redirected", "altered", "augmented", etc. to possibly be used for free energy.  I'm afraid at this point my "learned general comments and physics theories"  are all I can contribute, because despite your message 2789, I still don't know how this device works, most likely because of its complexity.