Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.

[Red_Sunset]

Hi Red,
is this nonlinear increase in pressure demonstrable also in 1 riser system? My calculation for 1 riser lift case shows it is pretty linear.  I can share it if people are interested.
MT 

MT, 
It is not a non-linear increase in pressure, "it is a NL increase in Force" for a linear increase in pressure.
The answer is, Noop it is not.
As Wayne indicated before, its aspects are clearly seen with 2+ layers (multiple) layers and more apparent with a higher area ratio between the most inner (pod) and most outer layer.  The whole dynamics of the Travis effect conspire together to a greater efficiency in unison, the more layers you introduce.  The disadvantage that more layers become more difficult to manage to get this max.efficiency out of them.

[MT]

MT, 
It is not a non-linear increase in pressure, "it is a NL increase in Force" for a linear increase in pressure.
The answer is, Noop it is not.
As Wayne indicated before, its aspects are clearly seen with 2+ layers (multiple) layers and more apparent with a higher area ratio between the most inner (pod) and most outer layer.  The whole dynamics of the Travis effect conspire together to a greater efficiency in unison, the more layers you introduce.  The disadvantage that more layers become more difficult to manage to get this max.efficiency out of them.

Thanks, it is more clear now. We will eventually get there.

[Red_Sunset]

First we need to clear up confusion around the pivotal words , ANY and ARBITRARY. I would have to qualify the postulate by adding 'within a normal Euclidian space'. It is true that Euclidian geometry is only applicable when the force of gravity is small compared with other forces. The differences at normal scales are practically infintisimal however. In such spaces all the conservative laws are mathematically provable. I won't do that here as there are many texts available that do a far better job than I could.

You, having  accepted that the conservation laws are valid for normal Euclidian space appear to believe that a Travis device can operate outside those boundaries. I would be prepared to consider this a possibility if it happened to be of nanometer scale or traveling at near the speed of light adjacent to a blackhole. This device doesn't appear to have any of those properties, so we can safely assume it will not exhibit any of those effects.

Seamus,
What are you saying ?  "If the Travis device could operate in the nanometer scale or traveling at near the speed of light adjacent to a black hole then we could possibility see the Travis Effects and some OU."
You can not be serious !

This is definitely not the counter argument that I expected, I find it very disappointing that your are have shifted around the landscape from thermodynamics/conservation to 200yrs of history, to Wayne's ability to black holes. The Travis device wouldn't be of much use traveling at the speed of light near a black hole.

I know you can do better, please give me a counter argument within context, something earthly, something real.
We can not safely assume any assumption like that,  that leeway is too big

[TinselKoala]

Red, what _you_ are saying is that you agree that conservation laws hold true and that work is the integral of force times distance, etc, but in Mister Wayne's system he has sprinkled pixie dust in there, and this makes what is normally a linear relationship into a non-linear one, enabling the violation of Conservation of Energy and the extraction of work from gravity.

You have not explained what the Pixie Dust is or how it works, you have not explained (or even demonstrated) how the "non-linear" force, when multiplied by the distance thru which it acts, becomes larger than the original linear force input multiplied by its distance of action.... In short, you are doing what I have been trying to explain to you for days now: You are invoking processes that don't exist, to hypothesize results that are not in evidence. You are strapping cardboard wings onto your pigs, and claiming that, IF ONLY, they were on a planet with reduced gravity and denser air, they might be able to fly.

What all this fantasy of yours has to do with MrWayne's lack of demonstration of his claims, his missed deadlines and his covering up of actual data, while claiming NINE HUNDRED AND SIXTY PERCENT efficiency for a system that he says has "no input"...... I dunno.

[Red_Sunset]

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What all this fantasy of yours has to do with MrWayne's lack of demonstration of his claims, his missed deadlines and his covering up of actual data, while claiming NINE HUNDRED AND SIXTY PERCENT efficiency for a system that he says has "no input"...... I dunno.

Nothing at all ! my dear squire TinselKoala
We are still talking about the iron age when Wayne has already progressed into the modern age.

You have not explained what the Pixie Dust is or how it works,

You are not into pixie dust,  I thought that you prefer the pink unicorns, How are they doing for you ?  Like to switch ?