Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.

[mrwayne]

So, if  this effect is actually a source of energy then it should be possible to harness it with just one "layer", would you agree? If you don't then the above statement is false.

Thus to convince me you need merely provide a convinicing demonstation of an overunity effect (no matter how small) with this single layer.. I await this explanation with interest.

Hello Seamus,
I really enjoy poping in and shareing - but please take the time to review the Q and A that has already been covered.
We have had plenty of people tounge and checking our system on this site.
To answer your question again, the layering effect in conjunction with the travis effect is required for OU, you break even at three layers on the up stroke -
The reason for failure on all previous Buoyancy attempts: the time to fill and sink eats away from effeciency - it is not a force only calculation.

What you left out of "Work"  it is not work over distance - it is work over a distance in certain "time".
The Travis effect merely effects the speed at which the field of gravity - in buoyancy can begin its capture cylce.

The layering system concentrates that effect - you said you watched the video and saw nothing.
You should have noticed the speed at which the reaction to the discplacement overcame the load, and the minimal volume it required. Volume and speed are tied together - and then comes work.

A big mistake all many "tounge and cheek" here have made - was to assume you needed to operate with the same perameters of the submarine type buoyancy.
Well, distance and work is "trumped" with Speed and work - in the Travis Effect.

Look again at video 5, if you do not see anything significant, don't bother wasting your time here.
No effense taken, if you do not do your due dilligense, let us move on.
Wayne Travis

[neptune]

@ Seamus101. The fact that the Travis Effect only operates over a short distance is nothing to do with gravity wells . Think of an internal combustion engine. The piston on the power stroke only operates over a limited distance. If we rebuilt the engine so that the piston could pop right out of the cylinder, all power would be lost after it left the cylinder. Nothing new there . You just need to open your mind a little.

[neptune]

 A possible Experiment to measure if OU exists in a single layer Travis Effect device.




We can measure the output by simply measuring what weight we can lift over what distance .


Measuring the input is more problematic.Here is a possible way to do it.




Take a large syringe, and pull out the plunger enough to suck in the required amount of air , say 5 fluid ounces . Take a balloon and inflate it with the syringe. Float it in a fish tank , and by experiment find the exact amount of weight that you need to add to it to cause it to sink such that its centre is level with the bottom edge of the inverted Travis cup. Input = weight x distance you sank it . Job done .
Any comments?

[neptune]

@Webb1. Calling mrwayne devious could be misconstrued as almost an insult, but I am sure that was not your intention. I think what you are saying is that he is very good at "thinking outside the box" and I am in full agreement with that. I too had made the connection between stretching the coiled hose out like a sine wave, and the shape of the path through the concentric cylinders, which is more like a square wave .
     But I get the impression that you have seen something above and beyond that. You have had an epiphany, or even a "Eureka" moment, an apt expression when talking of buoyancy and immersing bodies in fluids. Days of brain wracking have failed to fully enlighten me.
   My problem is this. In the concentric cylinders, the internal volume increases as the risers and pod lift . Obviously this can not happen in a coiled hose . Nor can I quite understand how a ZED is an extension of the basic Travis Effect demo. I think what may help me and others is this . Would it be possible for someone to draw a diagram of a simplified ZED, having only ONE layer as opposed to three. After all, if we were trying to understand a four stroke engine , we would start with a single cylinder motor cycle engine , not a Rolls Royce Merlin V12 with four valves per cylinder.
  By the way, I understood "series charged parallel used " after a bit of thought, thanks.


A single direct question for mrwayne . I am I right in thinking that for max efficiency, the volume of individual masses of water have to be equal, and to achieve this, the gaps between cylinders are not all equal , but diminish as we go from the  centre to the outside of the ZED?

[TinselKoala]

It is not too difficult at all.. lets assume the effect is real. In this situation if we connect the two air volumes together with a lever rotating about a pivot we should see that the side employing the 'Travis effect' would  be able to continously push the other side down.

What actually happens? the "travis effect" side rises until the pressure on both sides equalises. At this point no further movement is possible.  What provided the thrust to provide to move it to this equalised condition.? If you think overunity energy is the answer then there is no hope of understanding even basic concepts of mechanics.

This is right, and is basically the same thing I said in my analysis of the videos. The Travis Effect is due to the compression of the air caused by pushing the cup down over the displacer and represents stored energy. This stored energy is released over the "short range" of the Travis effect: because it is a small compression. The Cartesian Diver video that I linked, as I said, contains many clues to the operation of the Travis effect. There is no mechanism in what is shown and explained in the Travis Effect videos for any excess energy other than that provided by Mr. Hand... all the rest is simply explained by variations in volume and pressure of the gas chambers involved and the difference in the weights _actually_ required to hold the two cups down and the energy supplied by the air pump itself. Equalize the pressure in the two chambers at the start of the experiment by connecting the two air chambers with a small tube, and the Travis Effect will vanish. Since the two chambers started out with the same volume and pressure... and the pressure difference when submerged is the only thing that has changed by the addition of the small connecting tube.... the Travis effect is caused by the difference in pressure caused by pushing the cup down over the displacer, which forces some air deeper into the water. Clearly this is stored energy that is returned as the cup is lifted or allowed to float off the displacer. How could this effect possibly allow any extra energy to enter the system? It seems to be fully understandable from consideration of the pressures and volumes and masses alone, when analyzed properly.

So... I say this: I believe that MrWayne's big system, if it is overunity and running itself without external input other than that required to start it... that first half-cycle-- then it is doing it by some other means than the Travis Effect as shown in the videos.