Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.

[johnny874]

  @All,
PiR^2 H is the volume of a cylinder. There are 28.3^3" in a lb. of water. Basically, 3.14 times diameter times height equals volume.
By placing and end cap on both ends of a pvc pipe, you can see how volume changes
buoyancy. The pipe might leak a little without glue, but it would give you an idea.
A 2 1/2 lb.(dumbell) weight going by the numbers would need a tube that has a volume of
about 70 cubic inches to float. A simple test to understand buoyancy and mass. Cut the pipe in half
and see how it starts to sink, then you'll get it.
With a collapseable weight, the water it is in as well as gravity would be acting on
it, 2 other forces. This means it's not a closed looped system but would take advantage
of gravity and the density of water.
I guess in a way it's up to Wayne. Myself, I know there is a lot of pressure to prove
something yesterday, have experienced it myself.
With something like this, everyone would be in the loop from the beginning and would be able to test
different parts of it themself. research isn't free so if you need to spend 10 or 20 dollars to try something
yourself, why not ? Then you'll better understand what is being discussed.
as for myself, talked to my surgeon today. The best scenario is after he knows what it is specifically, I
would only miss 3 more weeks of work. Having a CT/PET scan next week. Not so good would be they
take my guts out again and give me lots of morphine, worst case, you don't need to know 
So do think I'll take it easy. But maybe one of you will give this a try.

                                                                                                                         Jim

[telecom]

Here is my solution to improving the output energy of this device. Rather than use air in the cylinders, why not use a substance capable of undergoing a phase change during the expansion and compression cycle. Ammonia perhaps.?

As the Zed compresses the ammonia it will liquify,  taking up far less space than it did before. That contraction could be used to displace FAR MORE water than merely compressing the air could achieve. More displacement = more lift !

I'd imagine such a machine might be able to apparently produce 3 times as much energy as it does now. It would achieve this energy gain at the expense of cooling the water and heating the ambient air, but there are plentiful supplies of those two things, right?

I'll order one from the first person to build such a device, I need to keep some champagne cool for the launch party.

Another way of doing this would be to increase the density of the fluid, for example,
dissolve lots of salt into it.

[telecom]

But then you'd need a supply of salt and a means of drying it out.. This only needs air water and a smallish amount of ammonia.

It's ok though, don't need go investigating the idea too closely as I've already managed to find people selling them.  It has a COP >  4.

just meant that by increasing the density. it would be possible to increase buoyancy forces = there is no need to dry anything.
There is nothing wrong with your idea, but under what pressure it liquefies?

[neptune]

I am a bit confused about what has happened on this thread. OK there are some interesting ideas and theories being discussed but discussion on the original subject seems to have disappeared. Perhaps these ideas and theories would be better discussed on their own threads. Hopefully those who still wish to learn will be able to do so elsewhere, and I have got my name down.
       Why do I think this idea merits study? I am also very interested in stuff like Quentron, and Rossi`s ecat. but You are never going to be able to build either of these, even in model form, in your garage. That is what makes Wayne Travis`s idea special. "Boiler Plate Technology" he calls it.
        My biggest difficulty in understanding this, was that I could not see the connection between the basic Travis Effect concept and the ZED. As a result of some things said by LarryC, I am starting to understand that connection.When I really "get it" I will share with anyone who is interested.
       Do not lose sight of the fact that Mark Dansie has endorsed this, and is impressed enough to arrange to go back in the future for further tests.
        There is a bit of confusion, in that Wayne says he will not open source. And yet there is the patent , and Wayne`s answers to questions. I think there is enough info to build a model that will prove OU. It will not power your house, but will show that the theory of thermodynamics is not without "holes".

[telecom]

I am a bit confused about what has happened on this thread. OK there are some interesting ideas and theories being discussed but discussion on the original subject seems to have disappeared. Perhaps these ideas and theories would be better discussed on their own threads. Hopefully those who still wish to learn will be able to do so elsewhere, and I have got my name down.
       Why do I think this idea merits study? I am also very interested in stuff like Quentron, and Rossi`s ecat. but You are never going to be able to build either of these, even in model form, in your garage. That is what makes Wayne Travis`s idea special. "Boiler Plate Technology" he calls it.
        My biggest difficulty in understanding this, was that I could not see the connection between the basic Travis Effect concept and the ZED. As a result of some things said by LarryC, I am starting to understand that connection.When I really "get it" I will share with anyone who is interested.
       Do not lose sight of the fact that Mark Dansie has endorsed this, and is impressed enough to arrange to go back in the future for further tests.
        There is a bit of confusion, in that Wayne says he will not open source. And yet there is the patent , and Wayne`s answers to questions. I think there is enough info to build a model that will prove OU. It will not power your house, but will show that the theory of thermodynamics is not without "holes".

Hi Neptune,
I think we were able to discover original ideas which were used for ZED.
The main idea is the variable geometry buoyuncy piston, which was described in ELSA and in a Russian website.
I want to come up with some formulas to confirm everything (this should't be hard), and than we could build a demo version.
Nothing to worry about.
Alex