Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.

[WilbyInebriated]

I cannot agree with that statement.

no one cares... mint?

[TinselKoala]

Is the Travis device, the big one, hooked up to the municipal water main supply (or to a local wellpump) while it's running?

Not for any flow, you understand, or perhaps allowing for just a small flow rate to replace leaked water... but perhaps seeing the _pressure_ of the municipal supply (or wellpump pressure)? And perhaps this connection could be valved on and off by the pneumatic control system ... again, not for any substantial _flow_ but for the pressure?

It's a question that's been nagging at the back of my mind for some time. I am believing all that MrWayne is sharing with us, but I still have the feeling we aren't quite asking the right questions yet.

MrWayne has told us that there's no exhaust, like excess water or air,  and no input beyond the initial precharge of pressures. I believe him, benefit of doubt style, and that's what makes any "supplied external power" scheme break down, because if outside power were being supplied there would have to be an input and an exhaust of some kind. So either there is some well hidden or neglected input/exhaust happening, like an open pressure tap to the muni watermain, or the Travis Effect is really doing what MrWayne claims in a manner that defies rational analysis. (None of the positive analyses done so far have explained where any excess energy could be coming from).

[neptune]

@EM Devices. I find your post about closed looping a little strange. If we have a machine that will run closed looped, but produces no energy to external load, the conclusion we draw will depend on how long it will run. I would say that if the machine is purely mechanical, and runs for, say a month without slowing down, then something is happening that challenges the laws of physics. If it produces a tiny amount of excess energy, then it is overunity. If it makes any sound, that is excess energy. If it causes tiny air currents, that is OU. If the bearings run at one hundredth of a degree above ambient temperature, that is OU.  Such a machine would be of no practical use, except to open peoples minds. That in itself is very useful.
@TinselKoala. For the first time , you have written a post I can agree with! Mr wayne has made it clear that there is no connection to the water mains, or well pump. If there was such a connection , then during 4 years of experiments, he would have tried the machine without it. If the machine then stopped, it would not be difficult to figure out where the energy was coming from. That would have been a pivotal moment at which time he would have realised that all he had was a water mains powered engine. Mark Dansie would have noticed. The other engineers would have noticed. It would be one of the first things you would look for.
      That leaves only your second possibility. You express it as defying rational analysis. I would say it defies conventional analysis. I will admit that in a way, mrwayne has not said exactly where the energy comes from, in a direct sense. It is not impossible that he does not know. At this stage I am not by any means certain that it really matters. What does matter, is that there is excess energy. When mankind started to make articles from metal, he had to put away the tools he used to work with wood, and fashion some new tools. To understand this concept, perhaps we need some new tools.

[Low-Q]

no one cares... mint?

Who cares?
But what you imply with your statement is that the Travis effect can some how be used to create a buoyancy effect that can deliver excess energy. That statement is BS. Because the Travis effect isn't displaying how much volume of air that is required to lift a weight, but the over all surface pressure that acts on the inside of the cup. It is a visually disturbing demonstration - specially for OU seekers.
Ofcourse, the same pressure is counter forced on the block inside the cup, pressing the block down as much as the cup is pressed upwards. If you put a scale under the block, you will see that the weight of the block increase with the same weight as the displaced water volume + the weight of the water above the cup that creates the pressure.


On the other hand you say " "a spontaneous increase in the energy state of a system" is not needed, it is only redistributing the energy that is already present"
What you say is that the system is trivial, and it cannot work.


I have had several sleepless nights because of a convincing idea, and it hurts when I realized I have done a mistake in my calculations.
You too have probably made too much effort in this to admit that you are wrong. It's painful to realize the facts, but you will recover soon   - I did after a week or so...

EDIT: That said, being unconcerned of the impossible is the reason behind most of the great inventions made in history.

Vidar

[WilbyInebriated]

Who cares?
But what you imply with your statement is that the Travis effect can some how be used to create a buoyancy effect that can deliver excess energy.

bullshit. i didn't "imply" anything... don't go putting words in my mouth that i didn't say.

me telling seamus that no one cares that he chooses to disagree with whatever he so chooses in no way implies anything about the travis effect...   don't be asinine.

On the other hand you say " "a spontaneous increase in the energy state of a system" is not needed, it is only redistributing the energy that is already present"
What you say is that the system is trivial, and it cannot work.

what in the wide wide world of sports are you talking about son? i have said no such thing. again, stop putting words in my mouth that i haven't said!