Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.

[Artist_Guy]

This describes leverage. NOT The production of usable work.

Please show how this cycle can continue to liberate energy without the injection of additional mass into the system. If the additional mass comes from the other side then the net output of the combined system is zero.

As I see it...this works as claimed via:


2 masses on top of a see-saw balance beam in effect (or connected like so via hydraulics) You have the kinetic energy potential when one is lifted, to take work from on the way down. However, you also have a unique leverage system,where buoyancy gives you 'free' lift each time, so lifting up the other side during the downstroke takes not 100 percent of that mass X distance coming down, but only some percentage. That leaves a left over amount for 'work'. Yet you shift the mediums around...alter the balance.


Now the other side is raised up, transfers are initiated allowing it to return, and it repeats. Gravity (the equivalent of the wind, or sun in windmill or solar energy here) is the 'free'.


Consider two masses on a see saw. Both being blown down by the wind from above (metaphor for gravity)...One side is released to rise, the other to fall, one rising because the other is used to leverage water and air mediums to make it rise.


Yes each mass is getting the same wind blown at it, but one, mechanically, is on a side 2x longer than the other, so the wind, blowing the same, raises the other side.


What now if transfer this leverage, making the other side the longer one...now it raises the original back. Same wind a blowing (gravity). Except you have a weird buoyancy going on , which means you don't need all the gravity on one side to life that other side up.


You repeat. You get extra each cycle, because you can lift up the mass each time using less than you get when it falls? You do that using buoyant leverage, and any mechanical advantage therein from compression of air and water. Then you shift the air and water on a timely basis, and transfer the process about.


Imagine a donut weight on top of a telephone pole. If it falls 25 feet, that's a set amount of energy to extract. And then if by utilizing other forms of energy, pressure, buoyancy and what not to raise it back up, cheaper, (the other side of a ZED is that) then the extra from the fall is your 'free' mechanical energy. Yet you have raised up the other side during the fall of the first, and now you have more mass x distance energy to enjoy again. But it only took you some lesser percentage of the stored (it is pressurized initially) and newly gained to raise it. 


That's how I understand the thing.


Consider in this case, that gravity is a wind blowing constantly, linear direction, down a tunnel and there is a hole to inject something into the stream When you lift one side, it enters the tunnel, gets blown back down...and in doing, raises the other via leverage and buoyancy, overcoming that side's desire to fall as well, effectively in the tunnel it is smaller then the other due to the leverage. Then you transfer the leverage and buoyancy using the same compression from the mass, and now the other is 'in the tunnel' and full size again, getting blown harder in a way, gravity now ready to bring it back down.


You will say, takes same energy to lift it up as came down. Buoyancy provides extra lift, repeatedly, not just one time because if you are shuffling it around during the strokes or at the end...game changes doesn't it?


Since it's pressurized you can use that to initiate the transfers. At some point, gravity and buoyancy take over, and cycle repeats.


I don't understand things as to that leverage, I am an artist, kind of stricken by a 2D visualization more than I wish, and this is a 3D system of concentric leverage so I cannot explain it much better.


But here's your quandary, Seamus. If the thing does repeat on its own, and does run on its own (and I have no independent verification of this) then all your complaining about this and that about energy creation and such does not matter, you are looking at a gravity-buoyancy 'wind' machine.


Nobody questions that a windmill works. What if somehow, this thing does work, and it's a metaphorical gravity 'wind' machine, deriving work from gravity, by making each mass continually fall in a way...via that leverage allowing a return to full potential KE, for less than the full return. It would be as is you have made gravity work a circle using tricks of displacement, and buoyancy and how the conversion works among mediums.

I am long winded, pun intended, but there's the same thing said 3 or 4 ways.


rc

[Artist_Guy]

No, buoyancy cannot give you "free lift", here is why. It takes the same or more *energy* to move an object downwards into a fluid as can be recovered when it rises. 

Not necessarily true, if you are draining the air or adding water to re-sink or re-float depending on the cycle at hand, but I don't know the particulars. Something's being shifted to and fro, that's been made clear. First I thought it was air and water, but recently, seemed to be said to just be water?


Gravity as wind was just a metaphor for visualizing a streaming of the downward force in a linear way instead of left and right. I am not really thrilled with Einstein's summation and metaphor of it, but there are not many other presented alternatives thus far.


It's a really annoying force or manifestation of whatever , to be sure. And one wonders if the answer to it will be found this century, or 10 more from now.

[mrwayne]

Hello Artist,

I enjoyed your explanations.

Yes, Gravity is in effect - the pull gravity has on an object is closely related to the density -
Air (atmospheric pressure)
Water (Head pressure)
Steel (our weight)

The same gravity affects densities differently.

Objects do not really float - they are pushed up by the denser object.

It is a very elusive concept - many patented inventors designed their systems as though Buoyancy somehow defeated Gravity - all while gravity causes it.

When I understood that Gravity caused both - I began looking into the effect - long before noticing the "Travis Effect".
When I learned that water pressure (head pressure) changed according to altitude - a very simple thing - I realized that it was not the distance from the center of the earth that caused a change in gravity's effect on water - but the change in gravity's effect on the atmosphere - which in turn affected the water pressure.

Water being incompressible
And air being compressible
Meant that the two could be combined to create a pressure differential system where the differential values could be changed.
Very much like your example - we use the gravity, water, and air in our layer system to increase the effect of gravity on the water.

A simple example:
I studied a 20 foot tube filled mostly with water - horizontal - basically no head pressure - a tiny bit of weight - the tube turns vertical and now 10 psi of head pressure.

Then I added pressure inside the tube - ten pounds - the result - horizontal - 10 psi - vertical 20 psi.
Simple enough - to understand - increasing the controlled atmosphere - increases the pressure at depth.

We use the risers weight to increase the "atmosphere" pressure between layers - it is additive -
A horizontal tube and volume of air - completely changed its value of pressure when turned vertical.

Not more energy - just a compression - turning vertical reduced the surface area - so pressure increased on the lower end.
So the effect - as you rotate - concentrated si - and then expanded - a piston with a changing diameter.......
I built that system - and like many of my attempts - it was only a stepping stone.

When I designed the Z.E.D. I used that understanding - each of our layers - the water hose example is that pipe - connected together - so the head pressure increase in each (tube) layer increases the pressure in the next.

Now - Our baiter is full of can't do's - he can't - that is all he can really say.

You see - our twenty foot pole example - has a rotational radius of 10 feet - it is a fixed value.

Our system has the same effect - "our radius" stays the same (input volume) - as we add layers - yet we have the combined surface areas - and the combined pressures and the combined buoyancy.

If it could be done with the tubes - and you hooked four together - to get two with water - two with atmosphere - you would have the head of 40 feet at vertical and still have a radius of 10. Six tubes would get you the head of 60 feet and still the radius of 10 feet.

In short - your tube example is clever - very cool - very close.

That  tube - lever action - increases the pressure at the cost of rotating a mass - the mass is constant and the pressure  depends on postion in the rotation - you can exceed the value of the pressure over the value of the mass. To consume it all you would have to do is drain the system - and replenish the water - but to use a portion of the pressure - and then let it return by gravity during the rotation - there is no consumption of the air or water. It is a sealed closed system.

Now - add a buoyancy system inside the tubes - you have both pressure increases and Free Buoyancy - the buoyancy turns off and on with the pressure changes as well - but does not add to the cost of the tubes.

Our system - uses three energy sources - the pressure increases, the buoyancy and the equalization to another Z.E.D. Instead of letting the system go back to zero by dumping (venting) - we reuse it.

We recycle the pressures - and capture the buoyancy - works very, very  well.

The "Travis Effect" showed me how to do the same thing - without the rotation - faster and larger surface areas.
Instead of rotating the incredible masses - just the input to one "tube".

Wayne Travis

[WilbyInebriated]

hey seamus troll... all of your 65 posts... all in this thread alone.


troll much? or is this some personal vendetta similar to that nutjob tinselkoala/alsetalokin?


"Nice metaphor but it isn't how gravity works."
that was funny as shit... i'm going to print that and frame it! and then you admit to not knowing how gravity 'works'... but you 'know' that that's not the way....     idiot.

[WilbyInebriated]

Nice metaphor but it isn't how gravity works. (If the truth be known the mechanism by which gravity occurs is not fully known by current physics but we can characterise its effects accurately using newtownian mechanics at normal scales).