Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.

[mrwayne]

To All,
This is a very important discovery, it is very exhilarating and exciting to be in this field of research and development.
We feel very blessed, and look forward to sharing with the world.
Our Group has been very Glad to share with those of you who have and are taking the time to experiment with the design.
History will quickly forget the effort and resistance to what we have achieved - and so I let it pass in this time as well.
If any of you are convinced by "scrutiny" I understand - and we never asked you to "believe" but to seek for yourself.
The physics are very clear. It is awesome.

Do not fear, nor worry of our falter - we have the solution this and many generations have longed for - thank you for being a part of it.

Wayne Travis

[fletcher]

It is clear that an impasse has been reached in information sharing & conclusions drawn.

For a few days now I have decided the only credible way forward is for the independent replicators to build their models & report in the performance & relevant data that the skeptics have been asking for.

Remember that IF the challenge participants are officially part of Mr Wayne's payment challenge then Mr Wayne owns the device which must be sent to him to collect the fee - I assume he doesn't own the information & intellectual property gathered from the process or that would be included in the 'contract' - I assume that if your device is not OU then you won't be sending it nor collecting the fee i.e. the fee is a 'success fee'.

Mr Wayne, in an earlier post, advised groups to also build a second parallel device to keep for themselves - this would be good advice IMO - I presume that all participants in the challenge are free to discuss their builds & performance findings without being muzzled - I also assume that they are free to discuss any theory about where extra energy comes from IF the devices are self sustaining.

[TinselKoala]

@seamus10n: Look at it this way. Gravity is like a wind, everybody knows this, a wind of gravitons. Right? So you put your windmill into it and let the wind... the gravitons rushing past .... turn your mill. If gravity can provide power maybe it does it like the wind. After all, gravity seems to act like a wind in other ways, by pushing things around and into each other. And you can't see the wind, or gravity, you only know them by their effects on ordinary matter. Right?
So if MrWayne's machine was extracting power from gravity somehow, in analogy to the windmill.... wouldn't we expect gravity or the force of gravity to be reduced above, or maybe below, MrWayne's running machine? Or at least disturbed, and if we are taking a detectable amount of power out of gravity we should be able to detect the disturbance caused by this removal. Right?
So I think it's important to know if anyone has noticed balance problems, queasyness, or lightheadedness, especially when working directly above or below the major masses of the system when it's running. If you drop a wrench, does it fall more slowly?
It's a wonderful thing, being ignored. It allows one considerable creative freedom, not to mention lots of opportunity to sneak up on people.

[Artist_Guy]

So if MrWayne's machine was extracting power from gravity somehow, in analogy to the windmill.... wouldn't we expect gravity or the force of gravity to be reduced above, or maybe below, MrWayne's running machine? Or at least disturbed, and if we are taking a detectable amount of power out of gravity we should be able to detect the disturbance caused by this removal. Right?

Well that's simply ridiculous reasoning, and needless sarcasm. But since you mention wind, the following is likely more than anybody needs to endure. 


@PeopleOftTalkingAboutThemselvesAsKoalasInThirdPersonAreSomewhatDisturbing


Here's what I have observed. Long time back, you sure seemed outright happy to bring yourself forward to the situation as representative of some big money financial backers, or other scale-it-on-up type of money, that is, up until basically you were told "sorry, not interested."


Now lately, it sure seems you've decided to engage in an alternating friend of the court then enemy of the court passive aggressive skeptic-athon.


Should Wayne answer these simple questions with simple answers? Sure. Don't know why he does not. Milehigh and others have a good point about that. Should be simple. Why isn't it stated? Don't know. Sad to see it's like that, because it's not hard to articulate. Seems to me if one had a machine that worked, be easy enough to say.


Then again, if one has something working, they'd also not care what anyone else thought, and why should they?


Then again, why the heck not tell all about it down to the kilogram?  Don't know. 


History is on the side of the skeptics, so nobody should be upset at the skeptics.


However Wayne has this on his side as to the doubters... their thinking something doesn't work doesn't change that fact that a working something works, if it works.


Now either way, some of you keep on distorting the gravitational angle entirely, enjoy making mockery of the notion that something can provide extra energy on the way down at the same time it lifts a similar something else up. Maybe that's true and this thing is a big pump that's so balanced it seems to work otherwise. Maybe it's like a pre-charged bubble level and that pre-charge is the bubble and when you pop enough over to the other side, there goes that weight back up again...ready to come back down again once you reshuffle that level's bubble back over to the other side.


Don't know.


Seems the thing moves the mechanical advantage around hydraulically, and is basically a hydraulic fulcrum mover. And when you get things reset as to the topside gravity helper weight on one side, you still have extra left to use on the other side to enjoy some fun it seems. Then you restart the cycle...


No gravity lost. Just levers and fulcrums moving about in a smart way (I guess).


But nutty talk about gravity being "used up" is just that.



Assuming it works:


Here is how you can use gravity like the wind, metaphorically. 


Imagine a cylindrical weight with a hole in it, and vertical axle through it. It has a ratchet like a hand clamp, otherwise it would fall forever, this axle is infinite. So imagine you can un-click its 'lock', and let it drop a set distance each time. You can use that drop for work. You have 'quantized' the gravitation acceleration a bit. But metaphorically speaking that wind is still blowing, because if you un-click the lock again, well it's going to drop again. Never going to stop, even if it has to crush a car underneath it to stop first, assuming the forces are large enough in comparison to the car.


Nobody would dispute this. Wayne has his weights set up in a similar manner. Not too light, not too heavy. Just right for the job, so it seems. Enough to provide the lift of the other via the mechanical/buoyant ZED advantage, and enough to provide a little extra oomph. Yet not too heavy to make it impossible given the forces available.

In the case of the ZED, these are two switchable, reversible "layered levers". Where people lose the mental picture is that what they think of lifting a weight back up, is relatively speaking from a point of view, just each side of the weights on each axle un-clicking a notch here and there.


Back and forth they would go, first one, then the other. On down those invisible axles, forever. you don't use up any wind, you are getting it back each time you "lift" the weight back up. You are able to lift the weight back up from the other weight due to mechanical buoyant advantage. You are able to do this because the ZED provides a fulcrum of sorts, and because that advantage is more than the lift needed to 'reset' the other, you can repeat.


So it seems.


Stated again, imagine you have two weights on a seesaw with a movable fulcrum. That movable fulcrum is the ZED buoyancy/displacement advantage and other transfers via the switching system.


Weight 1 can easily lift Weight 2 a certain amount, because the fulcrum is offset (multi-layer ZED). The system is 'pre-charged' so the other pressures and things are now pre loaded, adding a little help. This help is not lost, it can be re-shuffled to the side doing the work, as needed. Imagine a level with a bubble inside. You can tilt it to an fro. The bubble provides lift to some degree, but it not lost. Shuffle it about. There's something, no?

Now it sure would be easier if somebody just stated some facts and numbers so one doesn't have to guess so much, but alas, doesn't matter. 


And I'm just a web person so none of this matters either. Wayne, please ignore the master debaters and get on with it as best you can.


I do hope The Colossus of Chickasha is real.   


PS thanks to Fletcher a while back for answering my question(s), and thanks for the thread for indulging a gravitational windbag. Sadly, this one never runs out of words.

[Edited for typos]

[TinselKoala]

Well, Artist-Guy, if you want to criticise me you should at least get your facts right. I don't "represent" anybody here except myself. What is true is that if you convince me, and if I can convince some other people that I know.... not represent...... your little tabletop perpetual water pump based on a 5-layer Zed system will be worth a lot more than ten thousand dollars. But the fact that there is no granted patent...... just wound up making me look bad in the first instance, since I took the word of people that there WAS a patent and passed that.... now known to be bogus.... information down the line. Bad form for me, not checking facts thoroughly.
And now it seems that a lot of other stuff that I believed, initially, because I was told..... also isn't ...er.... ah..... exactly corresponding with reality.
No continuous runner. Not even overnight. Maybe not even four hours. No patent. No working scale model.

So, since I'm on the ignore list for asking the hard questions.... like how is the clear overunity determined for the simple three layer system that is clearly overunity by itself..... and how long precisely was the longest run time..... and what charged the batteries for the unit Mark Dansie showed in that last video..... and since my constructive suggestions aren't being taken seriously.... I feel a bit freer to point out that this Emperor's new clothes are rather ...er..... transparent, if not downright invisible.

Where are the teams of engineering grad students, promised a large reward if they DO find something wrong with the claimed overunity performance? Instead we have teams of overunity aficionados working with glue and scissors and old packing materials, trying to make a tabletop selfpowered water pump to prove that MrWayne is right and win that same reward... a pitifully small reward for something that would do what it is asked to do.

Come on.... please think for just a minute. You have cracked the nut, and sitting there on your kitchen table, nary a leak, is a water pump that runs itself,, and makes enough power to turn a little turbine or even power a Kelvin waterdrop ES HV generator. And it runs and runs and is clearly overunity by itself. So you phone up MrWayne and collect your plaque and your ten thousand dollars. Right?

Riiiight.

Me.... I'm phoning some "friends of ours" and getting a million bux for it right away, and a billion by the beginning of 2013. If the MIBs from Big Oil don't assassinate me first. Mr Wayne can sue my estate for infringement.

(BTW... this isn't "sarcasm". It is a variation on the reductio ad absurdum. )