Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.

[wildew]

@Webby1
You are quite the cheerleader - and I do NOT mean that in a bad way   
Setup IS very important - but there is also one constant that I'm becoming much more familiar with.
This is going to go against one of Red_Sunset's comments in the ZED for dummies book - a little.

In that document he says that the input volume has to fill the gap that "appears" as the risers / retainers separate during lift - and he's right - to a point. What isn't clearly stated is where that fluid comes from....

Back to the constant:
This also speaks volumes to Wayne's proportion recommendations regarding pod diameter to average riser diameter.
The input volume is dictated ( and restricted ) by two things; the volume of the gap / height of the clearance between the pod and the first retainer - and the total volume to fill in ONLY THE AREA | ID OF THE FIRST RETAINER x STROKE DISTANCE.
Sorry, not shouting - easy highlighting

The ability to lift is dictated by what happens as the water level rises around the pod - that motion rearranges the air / water levels in all of the other layers. Then hydraulics kicks in and pressures become a more dominant force for stroke. ( OK - I'm not speaking for Wayne - my thoughts only )

I'm still not claiming victory in understanding the entire process and haven't even started trying to piece the whole system together. But Webby's right - setup matters, a LOT.

Input volume can be easily calculated and predicted - mine at the moment is still 12 fluid ounces, as dictated by my model with a 4.5" OD pod, 11.5" height, .750 lift and .125 gap.

The "fill in" volume for the outer layers: Comes from the layers themselves - reducing the differential during stroke - a major loss, at least in my .125 walled model.

Video from last night should be available soon  - depending on influence by Sandy....
http://youtu.be/Fwqif5q3_VY

Dale

[DiscerningDave]

It is not so amusing, it is real that the setup is the most critical part of the process.  Small changes in the setup make big changes to the system function.

Precharge is added during operation by the sinking ZED, except for the first lift, so are you meaning the setup pressure?  That is a one time input for each ZED and then the initial lift input is the other part and then the system runs itself.

So, does yours run itself?  If not, who has one that does?

I think you guys need to cut back on the Kool-Aid, switch to coffee for a while, and wake up.

[TinselKoala]

People interested in patent applications and the patenting process might be interested in the recent developments in the Rossi story.

I've read both Rossi's application, and MrWayne's application. It seems to me that MrWayne's application suffers from many of the same kinds of defects that caused Rossi's application to earn its rejection notice. The main one being that a person skilled in the art does NOT have sufficient information disclosed in the patent application to construct and operate a working, self-powered, self-running Zed system. Others being issues about prior art, true inventive novelty, and so on.

http://shutdownrossi.com/technology-patents-and-ip/rossis-epo-patent-denied/



The simple, three-layer system that is clearly overunity by itself (Mister Wayne's exact words): Where is it, how was its clear overunity determined, what is the ratio of input work to output work? Why can it not simply and clearly be demonstrated? Has it, perhaps, been taken apart for some reason?



Note to all Free Energy Inventors: NEVER NEVER take apart your working prototypes. NEVER, for any reason. Start your improved models from scratch. After all.... somebody might actually want to see YOUR WORKING MODEL that proves your claims ...... so don't take it apart, protect it in its pristine working state. DO NOT TAKE APART YOUR WORKING PROTOTYPES.

But for some reason, they always do.

[TinselKoala]

So, does yours run itself?  If not, who has one that does?

I think you guys need to cut back on the Kool-Aid, switch to coffee for a while, and wake up.

By "self-running" you mean without any outside source of power or depletable internal power, right? I mean, running on stored compressed air, or a battery, that will eventually run out and stop the machine.... that doesn't count, in your definition, I hope.

As far as I can tell, only MrWayne has claimed actually to have a self-runner, and the longest observed run, again according to "official" public information from MrWayne, is under four hours, even for that unit. I'm sure someone will correct me with FACTS and REFERENCES if I've gotten this part wrong.
It also doesn't seem that any of the "replications" MrWayne has alluded to in his website's information are self-runners either. Again.... I would be very happy to be wrong about this and to be corrected with facts and references.


But this entire conversation may become literally moot, Dave. Stefan has indicated that he will be removing "hardcore skeptics" _and all of their posts_ as part of the cleanup of the forum website.

Then maybe people can have their breakfasts in peace, with choice of beverages, lulled by the soft groaning of their Zeds, garnering energy from gravity while running their homes on the extracted energy, independent from the Tyranny of Big Oil, at last.

[correcaminos]

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As far as I can tell, only MrWayne has claimed actually to have a self-runner, and the longest observed run, again according to "official" public information from MrWayne, is under four hours, even for that unit. I'm sure someone will correct me with FACTS and REFERENCES if I've gotten this part wrong.
It also doesn't seem that any of the "replications" MrWayne has alluded to in his website's information are self-runners either. Again.... I would be very happy to be wrong about this and to be corrected with facts and references.
...

TK....

Wayne on his website states the following on Our System Explained in the second part of the last question.

"Our personal longest run with those systems was four hours - longer was not needed from this system - since it gained from the first stroke and continued to gain at the same rate as long as we let it run - no degradation was observed - we started and stopped the system as many times as we wished.
"
just a statement though...no facts or evidence...maybe by Friday?

- Correcaminos

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