perpetual motion theory...

[Pirate88179]

The only perpetual motion machines that I know that have been documented by science are those of the atom.  Electrons and neutrons orbit around and around with no visible amount of decay in these orbits.  That is all that I know of at this point in time.  Magnets are a closed system and have not worked to date that has been proven.

Bill

[onthecuttingedge2010]

The only perpetual motion machines that I know that have been documented by science are those of the atom.

I don't think classical mechanics is correct.

Electrons and neutrons orbit around and around with no visible amount of decay in these orbits.

I believe Quantum Mechanics says that the Electrons are smeared across their orbits, they do not behave like little hard balls orbiting a nucleus.

That is all that I know of at this point in time.  Magnets are a closed system and have not worked to date that has been proven.

Bill

Correct.

Jerry

[fritznien]

A@K   magnets are covered under quantum mechanics.
not really qualified to explain but its a realatavistic force generated
when plus charges move relative to minus charges.
simple test of this,what is the magnetic field around an electron beam in a vacuum.
as for the magnet motor not having enough output, if it self runs for weeks with no input
he has a Nobel prize coming. if it almost runs than don`t hold your breath.
you need to see and check out the machine, video will not do.
as Penn and teller put it doing magic tricks for the camera is bullshit!
if you tell us more we can tell you what to look for maybe.
fritznien

[A@K]

mmm ok let put things in other way,

let say someone build a machine by using magnets and everything looks OK and the machine operates for let say 5 to 10 years. OK, because the machine it will stop operate after let say 6 years this is not perpetual motion as the actual definition states. BUT at least you will have a machine that it will generate electrical energy for 6 years or may be more (i.e. depending how the magnets it will be used) from "nothing". However is not from nothing because the machine it will convert the magnetic energy from magnets into mechanical energy plus heat, and hence to electrical energy.
Anw this is actually depending from the application of how the energies it will be converted.

Nevertheless, if we take the actual meaning of the perpetual motion machines, then we can not create any of these machines by using permanent magnets, because the magnets are demagnetized. but by using the new kind of permanent magnets (i.e. NdFeB), a very good "perpetual motion machines" can be created that they will have the ability to run for several years generating electricity.

This is my understanding up to this point according of what i have already read from web and one day i hope to make one.

Finally, i mention again if anyone knows any sources relating to perpetual motion machines i will really appreciate it if you can help me.

Thanks for your time.   

[WilbyInebriated]

quantum mechanics is nothing more than the language of all particle THEORIES. notice the bold word... yeah it's still nothing more than a theory.

the whole idea of proving a perpetual motion machine is perpetual is ludicrous. which can be further expressed by a simple question: whom will be standing at infinity to measure/check if the machine is still running?