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Gasoline bubblers are VERY simple.  If you have an old weed whacker, lawn mower or generator, I suggest you start small and work up.  A crappy vehicle is fine also.

I have already explained what you need to do.  As 'the One' has pointed out, it is Pantonish without the reactor.  Quite frankly, all that buggering around with the reactor really doesnt do a lot in my opinion when the majority of fuel efficiency is accomplished by water evap injection and fuming.

Normally, a engine running too lean would be far too HOT and this would lead to all sorts of issues.  However, with the introduction of the water vapor, not only do you 'cool' the burn but this has an anti detonant effect, creates higher compression and increases torque a tremeondous %.

I suggest you read up on the wikepedia info regarding 'standard' water injected engines, (mainly used in F1 aircraft such as the Red Bull Air Race).  This will give you and understanding of what what water vapor accomplishes inside the combustion cylinder.

OK....hop to it....theres savings to be made!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_injection_(engines)

ElectricGoose

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Well now Mr Goose... how nice of you to join the party! 

Two excellent posts there so I thought I would chime in too if you don't mind...

This might interest you:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10572.0

So we do not need to access the crude oil directly from the pumpers, it is all around us. This new plastic into oil technology combined with what your talking about could very well provide the bridge technology we need to utilise all the ICE's in current use.

The link you posted about water injection into engines made me smile so I have reproduced my favourite paragraph below:

“Water injection has been used in both reciprocating and turbine aircraft engines. When used in a turbine engine, the effects are similar, except that preventing detonation is not the primary goal. Water is normally injected either at the compressor inlet or in the diffuser just before the combustion chambers. Adding water increases the mass being accelerated out of the engine, increasing thrust, but it also serves to cool the turbines. Since temperature is normally the limiting factor in turbine engine performance at low altitudes, the cooling effect allows the engines to be run at a higher RPM with more fuel injected and more thrust created without overheating.[3] The drawback of the system is that injecting water quenches the flame in the combustion chambers somewhat, as there is no way to cool the engine parts without cooling the flame accidentally. This leads to unburned fuel out the exhaust and a characteristic trail of black smoke.”

As you probably know I am a turbine man and have written extensively about them recently. The two key posts to pay attention too are these:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10274.0

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10451.0

These are important in regard to that paragraph because we can see that we now have a way of using water injection in a boundary layer turbine that increases torque on the shaft (not thrust) and at the same time cools the components of the turbine.

We also do not suffer the drawback of cooling the flame causing fuel to be incompletely burnt, and can also cool the combustion chamber separately because I have removed it from the turbine.

So you now have all the knowledge you need to build your own water injection, HHO detonation, rotary turbine system. Turbines are not ICE's and perform a different function.

What they do very well is maintain a very high constant torque, this will allow them to be the perfect engine for powering a constant speed PMA and provide what we need for converting water fuel to electricity in an electric vehicle.

When we consider that electrolysis is still very inefficient and is a fledgeling technology then large improvements will be made in the future. I find all this very exciting.

I sometimes wonder to myself how many of you realise what I have given you, the silence indicates I think that quite a lot of you do, which is good

RM

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Following on from the previous conversation I have had a chance to sleep on it and believe this might interest you all...

If we were to utilise the plastic to oil technology to make our own oil then we would have a hydrocarbon liquid with different properties, depending on what plastics we put into the “sauce mix”.

If we were to utilise a solid state mixer just prior to injection into the chamber then no emulsifier would be required, simplifying things massively, as we would not need an additional raw material and there would be no problems with changing the recipe.

The image I have put up is from this page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Injector

Anyone recognise its operating principles ? You should because it works the same way as the HELIS, in mechanical only mode without an electrolytic closed system crossover function.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10218.0

So it will be very simple to make your own with off the shelf components and stainless steel hydraulic fittings.

I would suggest that the motive fluid is the water, powered by a water pump, as it will have the necessary mass flow rate we require.

The entrained suction fluid would be our oil. I would suggest some kind of metering valve such as a needle or butterfly to control the oil mass flow rate which will change depending on the viscosity of your sauce mix. It will also allow you to adjust the power of the engine from the “cockpit” if you remote control it.

If you had a “Mr Fusion” on board for emergencies and you ran out of fuel, you could strip the dash or the bumper off and make some more to get you out of trouble. You could also go find some ground water to refill the water tank.

So any thoughts ?

RM

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Evolving Ape

Yes, I have considered the emulsion with the emulsifier and this has been accomplished.  Really this whole thing is only limited by how complex or simple you wish to make it.

Emulsifiers have the problem that if you don't chose the right one, they will leave a residue after burn.  Additionally, if you dont get the formula correct there is the worry of separation if stored for prolonged periods.  Mixing in some prechamber as you suggest gets around both these concerns.

The bottom line is....don't get bogged down with huge design issues. Start with something and work from there.  You KNOW that oil + water in a 50:50 ratio when hitting a hot surface will immediately 'flash' into a expansive superfuel far more volatile than oil or diesel by itself.  Make this your bench mark.

If you have a little diesel engine that you can experiment with, the simplest way to circumvent emulsifiers is first making sure that the fuel pump is in order and will handle a water/oil mix.  After that, anything as simple as 'blending vortex' chamber prior to the fuel pump and primarily the INJECTOR RAIL is where you will want the mixing of water and oil to occur if you don't include a binder.

If you agitate/whisk water and oil enough until the oil 'beads' are very small, they will actually stay in solution long enough without the emulsifier to make it through to the injector rail.

ElectricGoose

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Hello again Mr Goose,

I have done some further thinking on our discussions and I now wish to share with you my current direction...

For me emulsification technology is a no go. I mean absolutely no disrespect to you, your work in this regard is admirable, but it fails my criteria.

The reasons for this are that an emulsifier requires a stable raw material, acceptable quality control, a continuous support structure, and considerable R&D. It is also suited more to mass production than on demand supply.

All of these are outside the resources of the common man. My aim of the game is to provide technology that does not require me and my specialist knowledge. A failsafe mechanism if you will.

So, I have worked upon Injector technology and come up with my Injector Mk1.

This utilises off the shelf stainless steel 316 fixed female tees, sleeving technology, ECV inserts and diffuser technology.

Water pressure is generated by a pump and forced through the ECV, oil vapour is sucked in under vacuum just before the area of maximum compression, and is then propelled from subsonic to supersonic.

This supersonic velocity soup is then forced through a 10 Micron Gauze causing atomisation (or close too), before being fed to the Injector Rail.

Note that I have inverted the Oil Vapour Inlet, this is to prevent on shut down water entering the oil boiler.

This design also removes the need for a condenser chamber as with the standard plastic to oil technology. The condensation of the oil vapour occurs upon vacuum suction into the water stream just before the area of maximum compression.

This means all we now need to do is melt the plastic in a stainless container, simplifying the architecture, and the vapour gases are sucked into the injector, not liquid.

Control the mix by controlling the injection hole diameter. For prototyping start small and then simply drill the next size up and compare performance until optimum is achieved.

With a plastic boiler installed in the boot of the car and the fuel tank of the car filled with water instead of petrol it should be a simple retro fit.

RM