Overbalancing wheel

[Low-Q]

Wher do we go from here?
Well, we all have a work to do when it comes to what we claim, what is reasonable, our gut feeling, extablished facts (by experience) etc., but also a work to do when it comes to visualize our ideas in a most understandable way. Any idea that comes up in this forum is assumed to violate physical laws. Having that in mind when reading someones post, will limit the free thinking, and also limit creative inputs (not my words - it has been mentioned several times on this forum - and I agree)
Putting oneself in the readers situation. "How will he/she understand my idea?". What can we do to make our ideas chrystal clear to anyone who wants to have an opinion about it? Think twice before we post anything; Ask ourself "How could my idea NOT work", look at alternative outcome of our idea, or at least be prepared to receive replies which conflicts with the idea or ones replies. These questions regards both beleivers and non-beleivers - regardless how obvious we think the outcome of an idea will be.


I think everyone should try to understand these issues first before we go anywhere. Also have some mathematical foundation so it would be possible to estimate an outcome of an idea in practice. My thoughts.


Vidar

[Low-Q]

Just simple one... If you expose overbalancing wheel to the homogeneous forces of wind like on the picture below, would it work? If it works utilising wind it would also work using very similar forces of gravity. Why? because all equalisation related to the potential and kinetic energy of balls exposed to wind remain the same when they're exposed to gravity...

Here is a link to a drawing (because my computer refuse to upload pictures). It explains what forces one must consider when designing an over balanced wheel.
The green arrows shows the torque gained and required in a given position of the weights. Blue arrows is force from wind. Light blue is the required acceleration of weight C to keep it syncronized with the rotation.
http://www.lyd-interior.no/Technical/gravity-wind-2.jpg


I hope it clearify some issues to consider regarding so called overbalanced wheels.


Vidar

[SPANG]

Thanks Vidar,
                     I'll try someone else.
Can anyone help me? The man who normaly resizes my drawings,  (I don't know how to), has apparently died ----------------
and obviously, I need to get this design and its notes, on display.
Contact my private email address.

BILL.

[johnny874]

Here is a link to a drawing (because my computer refuse to upload pictures). It explains what forces one must consider when designing an over balanced wheel.
The green arrows shows the torque gained and required in a given position of the weights. Blue arrows is force from wind. Light blue is the required acceleration of weight C to keep it syncronized with the rotation.
http://www.lyd-interior.no/Technical/gravity-wind-2.jpg


I hope it clearify some issues to consider regarding so called overbalanced wheels.


Vidar

  FYI,
When a weight is obstructed, it is possible any potential gain will be lost due to restriction of it's movement by mechanical means.
It is possible Bessler found a solution to this issue. The link is to a concept I have built years ago and discussed in this forum.

  Will remain quiet until after I can accomplish the current project. I am quite anxious about it.

http://www.overunity.com/11806/basic-4-weighted-wheel-concept/

[Low-Q]

I also have enhanced Bills design, but my computer refuse to upload anything to OU.com. Link to the picture is here

Maybe Bill can explain the different colors and how the 10 kg weights are moving around.

The original description from Bill:

  3.5 - 10.5 - 3.5
                                   ----------------


This device, generates more (in a sense,)'weight' on the right-hand side, than it does
on the left-hand side.      AND, using less 'weights'. Imposible?  NO!
Overbalancing, is caused in two ways;   1, more weight on one side of say, a wheel, or, 2,
LESS weight, but, at a greater distance from the wheels' hub!   #2, is the option I've gone for.
I've found, that there is a ratio that exists, between the 'inner', & 'outer' circles, that
go to make up, the making of the wheel proper!   It is 3 to 1.   3, 'inner' circle, and 1,
'outer-circle'. In other words, if the diameter of the 'inner' circle is 9", then the 'outer'
circle must be 3" more -------------- either side ------------- 15" all told.
If you look at the drawing, there are 7 weights, on the left-hand side, and only 5 on the
right-hand side.   STILL the 5 overbalance the seven!   Their collective distances, for the 5
weights on the right-hand side, are greater than the collective distances for the 7 on the
left-hand side.
All weights, each 'weigh' the same -------------- 10kgs each?
E.G.; If 2 weights (collectively) measure 10cms, (5cms each), on one side, and 1 weight measures
11cms, on the other side, -------- the single weight, measuring 11cms, will 'overbalance' the
other 2.  That's how I came up with THIS Idea.
Try it for yourself:   Take a wooden ruler, carefully balance it on a round pencil, place 2, of 3
identical coins, 5cms from the balancing point (pencil), one on top of the other, and the other
coin, 11cms from the same point, but in the oposite direction ---------------- the 11cm coin,
will overbalance the two x 5cm coins!   Less weight, but at a greater distance.




We now come to the point, that in some ways, has been the 'bone of contention'.
Weight #3, has, in a previous drawing/calculation been COUNTED TWICE!   Obviously, it can only
be counted once. Because the weight/arm 'hangs' from position #3, AND is shown sitting on
position #8 at the same time ------------ it, (the weight), has been shown as producing 10kgs
at position #3, AND at position #8! Totaly impossible, it's showing the same weight producing
10kgs in both places at the same time!