PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?

[MarkE]

For any testing, I would insist that the device first be tested in one location and then moved to another location at least ten feet away.  A cart or portable table for your equipment and of course a suitably long extension cord for any AC powered gear you might use will be very useful.

In order to avoid any stalemates, I would ask them to tell you well in advance:

1) What loads can the device comfortably handle?
2) How long can the device run on those loads before some form of service is expected?
3) How much does the unit weigh?

Use the weight to calculate the maximum energy storage using Lithium batteries.  If the run down test greatly exceeds that energy then the box is at least interesting.

Be sure to characterize your test loads in advance.  If your heaters are inductive, then I would fit them with capacitors to bring the form factor close to 1.0.  Make sure that you have a scope set-up that can easily measure voltage and current, both reliably and safely.  You might have to build cables or other fixturing to make that convenient.  A line cord to 4mm female bananas will make it easy to connect from an outlet to the input of an isolated differential probe. The voltage measurement should be made through an isolated differential probe.  Low bandwidth units can be purchased on eBay for $300 new.  The Pintek's are serviceable.  A name brand like Fluke or Tek will cost you $650. new.  The current measurement should be made through a Hall effect + inductor loop non-contact probe that can do DC to at least 1kHz.  A cheapy USB scope like the Hantek 20MHz affair might be a better bet than lugging around a real scope, and they are amenable to use as data loggers.

The last thing that you should get is a Pelican roller bag for camera equipment.  These look like ordinary soft side luggage roller bags, but they are very tough and have lots of moveable velcro padding for gear.  I find that the gorillas who work for TSA and the airline baggage handlers leave gear alone in these bags whereas they perform all kinds of abuse on hard sided plastic or aluminum equipment cases.

[ramset]

Physics Prof

If you like I will assist you on this trip [grunt work etc]?
Perhaps if the contacts and info work out for Gilman [gravity soybean plant] we could do that in the same trip  ?

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Chet K

[JouleSeeker]

  That would be fun, Chet!  I'm not sure how many "observers" they are letting in, but for sure I'll let you know!

  Would like to add that I hope we all learn a greater sense of working together.  Once ONE BRIGHT idea gets out, the genie is out of the bottle and OTHER IDEAS that are close to fruition will likely also spring forth.  So our sense should be one of comraderie (like Chet promotes IMO).

Thanks for comments!

[TinselKoala]

  Thanks for comments.
 
Its true that MidTech is waiting for a component in order to fix something on their working prototype.  Apparently there was an overheating problem.  (This seems an understandable glitch, given the nature of prototypes.)

I may be able to see the prototype working, by the end of the month.  What tests should I do?  I'm open for suggestions.  A few thoughts:

1.  Ideally I would be allowed to look inside, to see what batteries and large capacitors are in there.  Presumably just one battery to get it started -- how many Amp-hours is it?  Deep cycle or not?  What type of battery, lead-acid?

2.  I'd like to see it run drawing at 2 kW on the load -- I have a couple of small space heaters and can measure the power they are drawing during the test.  How long will it run 2,000 watts?
Consider (from http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=A0oG7mEsm9ZSch4AvBhXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEzZDBlYWc1BHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMgRjb2xvA2FjMgR2dGlkA1NNRTI2Ml8x?qid=20090202214711AAvg3WF )

If the actual load is just 100W, we have this quick analysis:
So with a 1,000 W load, this is a real drain on a battery, but an 80Ah battery should theoretically last for about 9/10 = 0.9 h (less given inverter-type losses).  For 2000W, less than 1/2 hour running,  and this requires an 12V amazing battery to put out so much current!  Roughly speaking, the current draw would be at least 2000W/12V = 167 Amps.  Wow!  quite the battery...   Do you see my point?

So these basic tests -
A.  Can it run a 2kW load?
B.  For how long?

I think I can quickly rule out batteries as the source of power -- several hours of running at 2kW for example. 
But perhaps I've overlooked something?  amazing batteries?  you tell me. 
Remember, the box is just 4-feet tall x 18" x18"  (how many batteries can you cram in there anyway?) 

3. They may allow me to look inside the "mechanical black box", to see the mechanism that connects the motor to the generator.
No doubt proprietary, and I will honor that.

4.  I would like to get a look at the output waveform using my oscilloscope with no load and with a 2kW load.

What other tests would your recommend?

I don't believe you will actually get to see it do anything, much less the tests you have already outlined.

Thus far, the claimants are following the standard script exactly, so why do you expect them to deviate? Something else will break, or they will have it torn down during your visit, or one of them will fall ill... and it won't be fixed until after your return flight has taken you home.

But...

2000 Watts for two hours represents 14,400,000 Joules:

2000 Joules/second x 120 minutes x 60 seconds/minute == 14,400,000 Joules.

4 each, 12 volt nominal, 80 Amp-hour batteries contain 14,515,200 usable Joules.

4 x 12.6 Volts x 80 Amp-hour x 60 minutes/hour x 60 seconds/minute == 14,515,200 Joules.

So I believe that seeing a big black box like that, running 2 kW of lights or even inductive loads for two hours is perfectly feasible... and there's room for a lot more than 4 car batteries in that box. Please check my math.

ETA: by the way.... it seems Doug Myers has a bit of history.
http://freeenergyscams.com/sterling-d-allan-is-doug-bad-boy-myers-scamming-sterling/

[Farmhand]

I still cannot see how if it does work that the NSA of FBI or whatever agency would not shut them down and commit them to silence with the old reason I've heard before that the device would bring about social and financial crisis. Which it would, I'm all for hoping it being real and if it is I want one. But if they keep their info to themselves they would be easy to shut down. Would be the same reason they classify secret a lot of patents regarding energy as a matter of National security. But for what Nation and why is it the same the world over ?

If people buy the device and put the working schematic open to all by some way or another how could they stop people building them ? And for the inventors to hold such a thing from mankind for money is almost a crime against humanity if it is real.

Something that actually does what it is claimed to do would be irrepressible once it got out. And if people found out the Tech was hidden from them by the government agencies they would likely riot and destroy a lot of stuff. Understandably so.

I say they are mistaken, not telling the entire story or faking it. If it is real and simple, they won't make much money from it. The people will take it from them. Better they offer it free and not risk the wrath of the people from both sides. Make some money from consulting or something.

Inventors should realize at some point a significant enough discovery actually belongs to the people by right of force. Tis the way of the world.

Cheers

Anyway it won't plough the paddock or harvest the crops or butcher the animals, we will still need to work and the crafty dodgers will think of another way to strangle us, what we need to do is rid society of "crafty dodgers" "Banksters" "controllers" or whatever we like to call the folks that live off our work, and/or decide what we are allowed to know.

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Look even this 12 year old girl understands it and can explain it. What is our excuse for allowing it to continue ?

12 Year old Victoria Grant on the real problem in the world.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bx5Sc3vWefE

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