PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?

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RUK gives this further insight into what happened (in a post yesterday):
Evidently, it was Baroutologos who would know just what leverage these "private discussions with [Romero]" provided to the suits who then intimidated RUK.  I would guess these discussions including Romero and Bar. making money somehow from their work.

Steven

Bara published, in the MD thread here, the URL of Romero's personal forum (on which mainly R & B used to exchange info about their current builds) - R's short response to B was "Bad idea!"

B then edited his post to remove the URL but it had already been seen by many

the forum was registered to R, and therefore would have had all his private contact details (phone, address, possibly email)

shortly after this (iirc) R was deluged with contact - and eventually by the 'suits' (?)

i originally thought along the company 'M' lines wrt to R's problems, but with his most recent revelations i wonder if it could be other commercial interests at play

anyway, R says that we should be seeing some developments wrt patents etc soon, which may reveal more about the source of the 'intervention'

not sure if R had to hand over his device, or just consider that he wasn't free to continue discussing it

hope this helps
np


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[JouleSeeker]

  Thanks for the discussion.  I do think that along with the technical work, we need to consider HOW TO PROCEED to get the developments out to the people.  Otherwise, we're just doing free work for the monopolistic elitists corporations.  See?

  This following from a post I made over at the Maller/Romero thread yesterday; would appreciate comments here.  (They wish to keep that thread on the technical work only.)
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OK -- this discussion about how to make a decent "return on investment" was raised again today by Romero, with a solution embedded in the response by Sean [Clanzers] above:
So there is a huge demand -- not surprising really -- for a system that will allow for testing, as Gyula said:
  If you could do something along these lines with your latest non-Muller device, Romero, many would be willing to buy a "Lego set" and put it together...

   I think Konehead (Doug Konzen) could also do this with his "OU pulse motor".
Ideal to start with an existing motor + generator and tell us how to modify it as you have done.

  My interest is personally not in making a lot of money on electrodynamic energy research, but rather in helping these devices to reach families and communities throughout the world, while preventing BigOyl from stomping or controlling the new energy source.  (Or even some smaller corporation that stomps on inventors because they want to "protect their patent;" either of the above may have happened to friend Romero.)

   The answer, IMHO, is to do as Sean is doing... "Lego sets" for us nerds who want to build and at the same time make a little money in our local areas while working towards independence from grid/greed.  A royalty would go to the "Lego set" provider via signed agreement on purchase of a Lego set (e.g. with Sean or Konzen or Romero) for each unit built and sold locally.   

The idea is to get the idea out quickly with local "businesses" building the units in non-centralized fashion; with royalties going back to the inventors. OK, signed honor-system, but I think this is better than expecting big gov't to protect your patent from BigOyl etc..

If centralized power is the problem, then independent off-grid families and communities are the answer...

"Revenge of the Nerds"!   

How's that sound?

PS -- I would forget about the 3-year patent procedure followed by more years of fighting down the attempts to steal it from you...  Gov't may stomp on you right away, saying your invention is a "national security" matter, as now some Gov'ts evidently seek to protect the profits of Big Global Corps and Banks.

PPS -- the inventor could invite "associates" to pay for a demonstration model, from which the associate in other areas and countries would build models/devices for sale in his/her local area.  Royalties would flow back to the inventor, and to the associates.  The devices would be kept at low cost to permit rapid spread of the new technology.  Communications would be kept private, hopefully -- e.g, each associate and the inventor would have the password to an email account.  Nothing would be emailed, just "saved" at that email account for associates to read.

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oops - about to post a tech update & saw your 'distribution process' related suggestions, Steven - yes, i think i'm with you on that one, pretty much 100%   


back on the tech trail now...

my latest SJ1 variant (now NPN) merges a couple of the components from the previous v. low power version, plus it adds a second feedback path to the battery (see schematic below)

L1 becomes merged with T1 as a tertiary winding again,  now on the  collector-side, 'morphing' the whole circuit into a hybrid of Common-Collector AND Common-Emitter (but not Common-Base!) - so it's become a sort of combined SJ1-JT config

i'm not sure yet if the 2nd feedback path is doing anything significant (LED2 on dim to start, but extinguishes as C3 charges), but i'll keep it in for the moment and maybe later try with it removed  for comparison (i tried a diode in place of LED2 - slightly different operation dynamics)


the most interesting aspect for me presently, has emerged from having a temperature probe available with the logger

i believe that the mutli-toroidal core is operating at a very slightly lower temperature than ambient

i only have some preliminary data at the moment, but if the circuit behaviour proves interesting in other ways then i'll focus on the temperature aspects some more

the red LED is not bright but would be suitably visible for equipment 'ON' indication - a v slight flicker, so its pulse repetition rate is probably just under 20Hz

the circuit has been operating continuously for at least 16 hours now and the terminal voltage across the 2x AAA NiMH cells, which  i'm using as a supply battery, has risen by 1-2 mV

again, this could turn out to be battery 'relaxation', so i'm not expecting too much at present

on this note, i find the whole subject of battery 'relaxation' under load - and it's cousin 'dielectric adsorption' in capacitors  - to be very interesting

i wonder if there is some aspect of these components drawing on ambient energy to gain a slight 'recharge' after providing energy to a load

maybe we could discuss that, and some other related, off-topic issues separately sometime?


as before, i'll keep you posted of progress with this latest test

greetings
np


http://docsfreelunch.blogspot.com

[JouleSeeker]

....[snips for brevity] saw your 'distribution process' related suggestions, Steven - yes, i think i'm with you on that one, pretty much 100%   ...

my latest SJ1 variant (now NPN) merges a couple of the components from the previous v. low power version, plus it adds a second feedback path to the battery (see schematic below)

L1 becomes merged with T1 as a tertiary winding again,  now on the  collector-side, 'morphing' the whole circuit into a hybrid of Common-Collector AND Common-Emitter (but not Common-Base!) - so it's become a sort of combined SJ1-JT config

i'm not sure yet if the 2nd feedback path is doing anything significant (LED2 on dim to start, but extinguishes as C3 charges), but i'll keep it in for the moment and maybe later try with it removed  for comparison (i tried a diode in place of LED2 - slightly different operation dynamics)


the most interesting aspect for me presently, has emerged from having a temperature probe available with the logger

i believe that the mutli-toroidal core is operating at a very slightly lower temperature than ambient

i only have some preliminary data at the moment, but if the circuit behaviour proves interesting in other ways then i'll focus on the temperature aspects some more

the red LED is not bright but would be suitably visible for equipment 'ON' indication - a v slight flicker, so its pulse repetition rate is probably just under 20Hz

the circuit has been operating continuously for at least 16 hours now and the terminal voltage across the 2x AAA NiMH cells, which  i'm using as a supply battery, has risen by 1-2 mV

again, this could turn out to be battery 'relaxation', so i'm not expecting too much at present

on this note, i find the whole subject of battery 'relaxation' under load - and it's cousin 'dielectric adsorption' in capacitors  - to be very interesting

i wonder if there is some aspect of these components drawing on ambient energy to gain a slight 'recharge' after providing energy to a load

maybe we could discuss that, and some other related, off-topic issues separately sometime?


as before, i'll keep you posted of progress with this latest test

greetings
np
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Very interesting contributions, as usual, NP.  Yes, pls keep track of the temp along with other data.  Although I'd be surprised if this temp-effect persists, it is certainly worth examining in detail, along with the other effects you mention.
I'm open-minded (but not empty-headed).  Great work!
Steven

[JouleSeeker]

 Nick --  I understand the supplier is out of the toroid I (also Xee2 and others) have been using.  If you will send me your snail-mail address, I would be happy to send you a goldmine toroid; I have an extra.   (Profsjones@gmail.com)