PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?

[e2matrix]

Very interesting results reported by Dr. Jones for the electronic circuit.

Does anyone have a suggestion on how to measure the input-output power ratio - without using a state of the art oscilloscope?  For example, a diode bridge with a capacitor - or perhaps a way to make the circuit self-running etc?

I am not a fan of testing alternative energy devices for light output with the human eye, or a battery that does not run down etc.  We want to do 'real science' with real repeatable measurements.

Comments anyone?

-Nils

Welcome to OU.com.  I don't know of any way to measure OU accurately that does not involve high end equipment.  One member here has pushed the idea that probes for measuring such will cost even more than the oscilloscope.  I personally feel that if it's not at least a couple times OU than it's not worth getting into as it won't be able to self run or loop.  If it's over 2 or 3 COP than it should be able to loop and self run.  At that point I think you have irrefutable proof. 
    Having studied a lot about modern LED's and Lumen output vs. perception with the human eye I fully agree that LED's are not impressive in measuring OU.  After all they are just another circuit component - a diode that happens to have the side effect of some luminosity.  Also batteries as has been mentioned numerous times can by some means regain some of their voltage just sitting there not even in a circuit.  I've got LCD clocks still running on the same AA alkaline for 10 years and have flashlights that still put out light from AA Lithiums well after 10 years.
     

[ElectroGravityPhysics.com]

Thanks e2matrix for the welcome and the common sense comments.

I agree with you about inconclusive battery testing methods for energy devices, and also taking measurement of light from a LED as any kind of proof.  I read somewhere that the LED output can be pulsed at a 10% duty-cycle and still look as bright as a steady state DC current - to the human eye...

I am guessing there may be a lot of difficult to measure phase relationships between high frequency currents and voltages in the Dr. Jones circuit, but I like to think there must be a simple way to add a high frequency bridge rectifier to his circuit that is feds into a small capacitor to measure the resulting rise in DC voltage?

Perhaps there a reason Dr. Jones has not already done this simple method of high frequency rectification to DC?  Any thoughts?

[nul-points]

 

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We want to do 'real science' with real repeatable measurements.
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-Nils

...awww, shucks, teacher - you're such a Bohr!



[...and now, folks - let's find out who is the next shiny new persona on tonight's show!    ]

[JouleSeeker]

Very interesting results reported by Dr. Jones for the electronic circuit.

Does anyone have a suggestion on how to measure the input-output power ratio - without using a state of the art oscilloscope?  For example, a diode bridge with a capacitor - or perhaps a way to make the circuit self-running etc?

I am not a fan of testing alternative energy devices for light output with the human eye, or a battery that does not run down etc.  We want to do 'real science' with real repeatable measurements.

Comments anyone?

-Nils

Nils,     We have in the preceding pages discussed measurement methods at some length. 
Clearly, creating a self-running device (with load) is an optimum test.  Ideally, this would not have a battery anywhere in the circuit.

Measuring the total input energy available is quite straightforward using a known capacitor charged to a measured voltage:  E = 1/2 CV**2. 
Measuring the total energy released by the system while running can be measured by inserting the device into a sensitive calorimeter. This is the approach I am taking now, and I hope to have such a measurement on this device in the next few weeks (as my calorimeterist colleague returns from travel in Europe). 

[JouleSeeker]

  Today, I came across a Declaration signed by physicist Harvey Fletcher, inventor of a stereo sound system and the hearing aid, and a key experimenter regarding the precision measurement of the electron's charge. 

  I personally spoke to Dr. Fletcher (September 11, 1884 â€" July 23, 1981)  while I was an undergraduate student at Brigham Young University in about 1972.  He was a bright and cheerful person, animated and full of life; he was about 88 years old when I met him.

  Dr. Fletcher's Declaration was signed and notarized in Provo, Utah, on May 25, 1979.  (Available here:  http://thmoray.org/, and attached.)  In it he states for the record that he personally observed Dr. T. Henry Moray's energy device; he writes:

I do know that it did function for the several hours of time that I observed it.  I could discern no batteries, and could observe no other known methods of inducing electric power into the box or its loads.

Having met Dr. Harvey Fletcher and admiring his clarity of mind and sincerity, I find the above statement to be quite compelling.
--Steven E. Jones (Spring City, Utah, July 7, 2011)