PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?

[JouleSeeker]

hello Steven

here's some data from an experiment which is certainly NOT moving anywhere near lightspeed!


first i should just stress again that these results may just turn out eventually to represent the 'battery relaxation' phenomenon (which i've seen in many previous experiments) - i'm just sharing the data here to keep you posted with progress on my current test

the graph below represents the terminal voltage, recorded over the last 7 days, for a single AAA NiMH cell which is powering my inverted, looped SJ1 circuit with supply interruption**

** the immediate supply to my SJ1 variant oscillator circuit is a 2200uF capacitor - whenever the oscillator o/p stops, the capacitor gets a momentary re-charge from the NiMH cell via a transistor switch

the oscillator o/p (from a tertiary winding) is fed back to the oscillator supply and to the NiMH cell, and is also used to gate the supply interruption switch

the trace below shows a typical output 'pulse burst' (here measured at the anode of the schottky diode i/p to the NiMH cell) - a group of around 3 of these pulse bursts are occurring within approx 100-300ms, the group being repeated at an interval of approx 1 second

so the average number of pulses per second is approx 15

the first pulse width is approx 30uS, its coil-collapse width approx 25uS;
schottky diodes are limiting the coil-collapse voltage peaks  to approx 560mV above the cell voltage (voltage values  obtained with  x10 probe)


i'll update after another week - or earlier, if the cell voltage starts to decrease

thanks
np


http://docsfreelunch.blogspot.com

VERY intriguing, nul-pts!  So you're using a tertiary winding to extract power and feed back to the rechargeable battery, and using a switch to power-up the input-capacitor -- very clever, I must say.  If I've misunderstood, pls correct me.

Thanks much for keeping us posted on the result, and pls keep us posted as this goes forward. 
Very clever.  Sometime, pls share the more complete circuit diagram, would you?

I'm frankly amazed that you can do this while continuing your work on the Muller/RomeroUK device.  (As I read on the now-huge thread about that.)
Keep up the good work!  Would like to meet you some day and shake your hand.

[JouleSeeker]

I'm working from memory, but I think Phipps in his book "Heretical Verities" analyzes an experiment by Hill, where Phipps makes the argument that the result in question would imply that near-fields have instantaneous effect, as one example.  I'll keep digging into my memory on this...

Best,    Jim

  I found reference to Phipps' paper in the American Journal of Physics (one of my favorite journals!):

American Journal of Physics -- August 1988 -- Volume 56, Issue 8, pp. 765
Heretical Verities: Mathematical Themes in Physical Description
Thomas E. Phipps, Jr., Author and Jeff Nicoll

Did Phipps write a book also?  anyway, I should be able to pick up the journal article at the University tomorrow, and save the $30 fee for getting it on-line!   

There is another paper in AJP I enjoyed as a graduate student, while at Stanford doing research and finishing class work -- about the Special Theory of Relativity vs. Lorentz-Ives ether theory.  I'll try to get that reference also.   
Do you have physics background, JimU?

[JouleSeeker]

  Went to Amazon, and I see that Phipps did write a book on this also.  About $20 with shipping.  I'll first look at his AJP article, then we'll see about that book.

  Found "related" books also, particularly this one which appears may address my question ("electromagnetic retardation" is the basic point):

Electromagnetic Retardation and Theory of Relativity: New Chapters in the Classical Theory of Fields, Second Edition [Paperback]
Oleg D. Jefimenko


REVIEW: 5.0 out of 5 stars Fresh and thought-provoking, August 24, 2006
By
Travis Norsen
This review is from: Electromagnetic Retardation and Theory of Relativity: New Chapters in the Classical Theory of Fields, Second Edition (Paperback)
This is a very nicely written, interesting, and thought provoking book. The author has written extensively over the decades (both published articles and books) on the concept of retardation in electromagnetism -- basically, the idea is just that "information" about the charges/currents that give rise to E&B fields propagates at the speed of light, so that the fields at a given point can be calculated in terms of integrals over the charge/current distributions but using the "retarded time" -- i.e., integrals over all the little bits of charge/current at the locations they were at when they were sending out the "information" that arrives at the field point in question now.

The point of this book is to construct a detailed argument that much or most of what is usually considered "relativity" can be inferred directly from a consistent application of the concept of retardation. [snip]

[nul-points]

 

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Sometime, pls share the more complete circuit diagram, would you?
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I'm frankly amazed that you can do this while continuing your work on the Muller/RomeroUK device
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Would like to meet you some day and shake your hand.

thanks for the kind words, Steven

fortunately, once longer-term monitoring tests have been setup (such as this one, and my DIY cell experiments, linked below) it's not a problem to fit an occasional measurement into the daily schedule


i'm including the generic schematic for my ongoing looped (inverted) SJ1 test below

more details to follow here, if longer term results suggest anything more than 'battery relaxation' occurring

you'll notice that i replaced the LED with a schottky diode (D1), to reduce the amount of energy escaping the system for this test (to maximise any energy available to feedback to the supply cell)

however, last night i thought i would just take a look at what would be the effect on the o/p waveform, if i replaced D1 with the LED in this system

the effect is quite marked, the average number of pulses in each 'burst', when using the LED, increases to around double that when using the schottky diode

there are also intermittent periods of slightly lower amplitude 'driven' oscillation (approx 70kHz) which can occur in amongst the pulses in the 'burst' (this is not the damped sine-wave which we see in the trailing 'high-impedance' state of the system immediately  following the last pulse in a 'burst')

since the slope of the cell terminal voltage is fairly flat at present, and has been for a few days, i decided to leave the LED in place of D1 for sufficient time to see how it compares with the last few days results


it would be a privilege to meet you, if the opportunity arose - it's great to have an accredited scientist who is interested in 'alternative' energy, as part of the forum - i hope we can all learn from each other's knowledge and experience

thanks
np


http://docsfreelunch.blogspot.com

[JimU]

  I found reference to Phipps' paper in the American Journal of Physics (one of my favorite journals!):

Did Phipps write a book also?  anyway, I should be able to pick up the journal article at the University tomorrow, and save the $30 fee for getting it on-line!   

There is another paper in AJP I enjoyed as a graduate student, while at Stanford doing research and finishing class work -- about the Special Theory of Relativity vs. Lorentz-Ives ether theory.  I'll try to get that reference also.   
Do you have physics background, JimU?

Hi Dr. Jones,

Yes, I have Phipps' book by the same name, don't know if the journal article would include this material, since the book is 600+ pages in length...

My memory was faulty, the experiment Phipps discusses is one by Sherwin-Rawcliffe, not someone named Hill!  Phipps discusses the potential hill, which is probably why that name stuck in my mind.  This experiment is with electric potentials at the microscopic level.

Another experiment, at the macroscopic level, was reported in:

P. T. Pappas and Alexis Guy Obolensky:
Dec. 1986: Thirty six nanoseconds faster than light [Pappas&Oblensky_Elect&WW_v94n1634(1988)1162-1165]
© Electronics + Wireless World: Queries: http://www.electronicsworld.co.uk

In this case, a large capacitor was constructed, from two approx 2-foot square metal panels, maybe 6 feet apart (again from poor memory!), then allowed to discharge and the change measured by a fast scope, which showed an immediate pulse, interpreted to be the effect from changing near-fields, then a later one (36ns later) interpreted to be the lightspeed radiation pulse.

So, both dealt with electric near-fields, not magnetic.  I'd expect a magnetic experiment measuring one-way delay effect with today's very fast scopes could be set up, if someone were motivated to do so.

Yes, I studied physics in college, 3 years into the graduate program before deciding to make a living in computer software.  But, I've maintained an ongoing interest and try to keep an open mind on possibilities.

Best,    Jim