Was Bessler for real?

[quantumtangles]

Many people say that because bessler was a watchmaker, that his wheels were kept running via a spring. It is a fact , the wheel at kassle ran for 54 days nonstop. It has been estimated that the wheel weighed about 700 lbs. The spring mechanism would most likely hang below the axle, which was 8 inches thick. This would leave about 5 1/2 ft. of space for this mechanism. The spring would have been like the kind you would find in a pull out tape measure, only wider and thicker,,,,, and a great deal longer. I did some rough estimates, and to keep that wheel turning for 54 days nonstop, that spring would need to be 12 inches wide 3/16of aninchthick and over 300 ft. long. First of all it would not fit and second in 1716 they would not have been able to make it!!

@ Dr

Your argument seems to be as follows:

"Bessler could not have invented and built a 300 foot spring in 1716.
Therefore Bessler invented and built a perpetual motion machine in 1716".

Interesting 

I cannot decide (ad argumentum...) precisely what type of fallacy this is.

It reminds me of the fallacy 'Ad argumentum a priori', an example of which is as follows:

"The bible tells us of the existence of God, therefore God exists because the bible tells us so"

[Dr]

Hi John Worton: Welcome to the forum, you have some very interesting drawings on your website, how much progress have you made towards a working gravity wheel?

[Dr]

@quantumangles; there is no way you could have researched Bessler  completely, with a come back like that, i suggest you barely skimmed the surface and made a judgement call, and no those were not my words but yours!!

[AB Hammer]

John Worton

Welcome to the forum. Your drawing is very interesting, and the design is similar in some ways to several systems I have built. Is it a possible? could be. But Only a build will prove its true worth. Without a build there will still be doubt due to claims without proof have been way to often. But for sure it is worth a build and test. IMO

Alan

[John Worton]

Hi Dr,

Thank you for your friendly welcome to the forum.

I know I have made very significant progress towards a working gravity wheel and so does John Collins with whom I have been corresponding for several months.   Please see John’s last posting dated 5th August at johncollinsnews.blogspot.com

I have for the time being stopped constructing wheels (or elements thereof) for reasons I hope I have made clear on my website.  I am happily standing aside for John to claim the prize of ‘the one that goes around’: a prize I feel he richly deserves after his many decades of work on The Bessler Wheel.  I am certain I would never have known anything about this subject if it were not for his publications.

I have progressed as far as a complete understanding of what The Bessler Wheel is and how it works.  The Bessler Wheel is simply a simple system of falling and rising levers and weights.  The essential element of the system is the armature: several identical armatures comprising a wheel.  The armatures are most profitably arranged back-to-back in pairs to form overbalancing beams.  Each armature folds up and in at the bottom and light side of the wheel, and up and out at the top and heavy side of the wheel, thus causing a permanent imbalance and thereby rotation.  Each armature has two weights on it: a large heavy weight close to the axle, sufficiently heavy to raise the armature, and a small weight at the end of the armature which is sufficiently heavy to raise the heavy weight over the axle.
The axle is the pivot point for the levering in and out of the armatures.  When a heavy weight is on the heavy side of the wheel it is ‘in freefall’ and pulls its armature in on the light side.  When a heavy weight is on the light side of the wheel it is a ‘dead weight’: the thing that the weight of the other extended armatures levers against to raise and extend each other in turn.

I have progressed as far as making the template for the armatures of a Bessler Wheel with a radius of 1.7m.  You can see this template on my website.  I have photographed this template in several positions and then combined the photographs to show how a working wheel works and what it will look like.  I would like to point out that because these images are composites of several static pictures they rather ‘underplay’ the extent of the overbalancing effect in a running wheel.  For example, in the picture of the eight-arm version, the small weight at approximately ’10 o’clock’ does not actually ever get out as far from the centre, and the small weight at approximately ’12 o’clock’ has already ‘fired’ further out and around.  Therefore, the overbalancing effect in a working wheel will be even better than my images suggest.

John

The link to my website is; http://factumpoetica.org/