DIY - Stable Redox Molecules

[gravityblock]

Good questions Vissie.

The pool chlorinator uses a fairly strong
solution of saltwater to produce Chlorine
at the Anode of the electrolyzer.  This
then mixes with the Sodium Hydroxide
which is produced at the Cathode to make
Sodium Hypochlorite (commonly known as
bleach) which is a powerful oxidizer and
disinfectant.

With a slight modification the device could
indeed be used to make "structured water"
since the electrodes are of the proper material.

What we need to discover now is the concentration
of Sodium Chloride (or Potassium Chloride) and/or
other salts in the solution to be electrolyzed and
the Voltage/Current density which produces the
desired product.

Too strong a solution will produce the wrong chemicals
(hypochlorites, chlorates and perchlorates) in too high
a concentration.

I agree with SeaMonkey, with slight modifications the pool chlorinator with the proper electrodes could be used to produce "structured water".  Vissie, the pool chlorinator is a good find and is relatively inexpensive.  Thanks for bringing this to our attention. Below is a patent link which covers the MDI-P substance, which is the electrolyzed saline solution with the stabilized redox molecules.  This patent gives a very good idea for the saline concentration to be used, along with a good idea of the voltage, current, and time requirements.  There's also a lot of experimental data which can be found in this patent.

Thanks

GB

References:

Patent link, http://static.patsnap.com/patent/download/pdf/US5674537

Publication on Saltwater Chlorinator, http://www.poolsuppliessuperstore.com/pdfs/6176.pdf

[broli]

Call me ignorant, I've seen this structured water thing at EF but chose not to be part of it as I saw a shit storm coming. I'm glad I avoided it.

However it's definitely something that begged the "why can't people make this themselves" question. Especially funny on a forum where people are mostly doing open source free energy research.

This actually reminds me of the whole home made colloidal silver debacle. I recently discovered that most of the colloidal silver products, also the home made ones are very lacking. Most of them produce ionic silver (which in some cases is more effective than metallic silver) which when ingested turns almost instantly in silverchloride in the stomach. The best way to create REAL metallic nano silver in the range of 15nm-20nm is to use heat, an electrolyte, constant current and eventually a reducing agent. This process is very accurate and well documented and its pure chemistry, no bullshit attached.

The process is described here:

http://www.cgcsforum.com/Articles/MakingCSPart2.html

There's even a dedicated forum where much more info is available.

Anyway that's a whole completely different story. Planning on making its own thread. The reason I brought this up is because of the similarities. That is temperature regulation, an electrolyte and perhaps even a constant current generator. It will pay off to have people that are well versed in chemistry, because that's all it is.

[gravityblock]

Broli,

Good post.

Thanks,

GB 

[gravityblock]

However it's definitely something that begged the "why can't people make this themselves" question. Especially funny on a forum where people are mostly doing open source free energy research.

In addition to this, the Energetic Forum presented by Energetic Science Ministries (ESM) is a Non Profit organization, and they're using this non-profit organization to promote/sell their books and products through their network affiliate programs and the ASEA MLM scheme, which is against the Law for a non-profit organization.

ASEA is presented by: ESM & Energetic Forum on this site, http://esm.teamasea.com/

GB

[CompuTutor]

In addition to this, the Energetic Forum presented by Energetic Science Ministries (ESM) is a Non Profit organization,
and they're using this non-profit organization to promote/sell their books and products
through their network affiliate programs and the ASEA MLM scheme,
which is against the Law for a non-profit organization.

ASEA is presented by:
ESM & Energetic Forum on this site, http://esm.teamasea.com/

GB

Damned straight Tonto, illegal as it gets...

But churches/bakesales have done it for years.

Someone with a lot of cash to burn
could sue Aaron inside out if they cared to.