PLEASE READ THIS-MAJOR BREAK THRU FROM BILL MEHESS

[altrez]

Bill
Thank you,
As you know we have Groups of folks here working with a few devices that I feel are quite dangerous to experiment with,and for that reason I don't even attempt it,super High voltage AC DC all manner of Coils and capacitors.

Very scary stuff!

I have often wondered if these high voltage fields "pumped" around the experimenters can have adverse effects on them.
  It is very strange to me how many men I have seen "behind the scenes"
Experimenting on TPU's or whatever.
And they have Heart Issues??
I often Wonder about Otto??

Also Look at ist??[innovationstation] being serious here]

The point is Those devices have issues that yours will not!!
For the experimenter as well as Acceptance into society.

Your small output device is just what is needed around here.
Passive in nature ,But monstrous in potential!

For the sake of our experimenters as well as the future of our planet
I hope you maintain your resolve !!

God Speed Bill Mehess...............

Chetkremens@gmail.com

Wow I never really consider all that. This is exectly what we need a device that everyone can safley work on. Very intresting read Ramset.

Bill when you decide to release the parts list, I will be more then happy to make a donation to help keep things moving.

-Altrez

[WilbyInebriated]

You're right, Chet -- no need to respond to ad hominem attacks.  Now back to the science --

don't be asinine professor... i would expect a man of your "qualifications" to know what ad hominem is, you obviously don't... it wasn't ad hominem. i didn't "attack the man". nor is what you are doing "science". you are assuming, speculating and ending with conjecture. you have no schematic, you have no parts list, all you have is assumption, speculation and some voltages... what you are doing is not science by any stretch of the imagination and it most certainly isn't 'rigor' either...

now once again... how about you try out that "rigor without rancor" you talk so much about... starting with rigor. sound like a plan? or are you suggesting that the assumption, speculation and the inevitable conjecture you have been engaging in is rigor? 

if you still think it was ad hominem, then back up your claim... and try not to misrepresent my words as pathetically as you did last time. demonstrate (with quotes) where i ignored your salient points and 'attacked the man'. refusal to do so will be accepted as a tacit admission that you cannot.

some definitions for the ignorant:
ad hominem - gratuitous verbal abuse or "name-calling" itself is not an ad hominem or a logical fallacy. in order to become a fallacy, the insult would need to be given as a reason for believing some conclusion. an example would be; "JS is idiotically ignorant [of science], so why should we listen to him now?"

rigor - strict precision : exactness <logical rigor>
         scrupulous or inflexible accuracy or adherence: the logical rigor of mathematics.

[wattsup]

@BM

Great, so all is well in Camelot.

Just know that the open source is always here should you need it. Also, if you want to run by your demo procedure before the day, and you need someone to consider possible objections you will get during the demo, I am available by PM. Also, I recommend you communicate with @JouleSeeker via PM should you require some precise technical assistance in terms of how to produce a convincing measurement procedure.  While you are running your circuit, maybe take a small coil that is connected to a volt meter and move it over and around the device to see if it gives you any readings. Try the same thing on known field producing devices you may have lying around so you have a comparable visible method of measuring fields around the device.

Guys will want to bring their own ammeters, volt meters and even magnetometers so you need to know of any stray fields in advance. Maybe try the device with your cell phone beside it to see if it reacts with ore output, then make sure there are no cell phones in the room.

But again, for the record, I see all this fanfare as superfluous and totally unnecessary delay and just say that simply disclosing open source is all you really need to do. The principle of operation is what matters so weather you disclose now at microwatts or in a month at 1/2 a watt, nothing will change in that regard or its main importance, so in the real frame of things, any delay is a major waste of time. But I have to concede that men will want to play their games regardless of the logic and can only hope for a decent outcome. "We shall see", said the blind man.

@ramset

I think of @otto everyday. Sometimes I can even feel stomach cramps when pulsing certain devices. All have to be very attentive to the signals their bodies are receiving. But weather you know it or not, your body is already being bombarded by so many signals just sitting in your living room. That radio clock beside your bed is just nefarious and everything else in your home just shoots out fields every second. I am now even considering turning off the electrical breakers for bedrooms before bedtime so at least during our sleep we can be in an almost  field free environment. Even the fields from the 60hz cycling in the electrical wiring of the home is bad even if nothing is plugged into a wall socket.

But guys working with more concentrated and aggressive field types have to know to keep a close watch. Sudden headaches, tingling, prickling, stomach growls are all signs of an excess of some kind. Most have already experienced such physical effects.

wattsup

[nul-points]

don't be asinine professor...
[...]
demonstrate (with quotes) where i ignored your salient points and 'attacked the man'. refusal to do so will be accepted as a tacit admission that you cannot.
[...]

i disagree - silence can also be interpreted as an eloquent response:  refusing to be drawn into pointless argument

[WilbyInebriated]

i disagree - silence can also be interpreted as an eloquent response:  refusing to be drawn into pointless argument

great, grand, wonderful... perhaps you can demonstrate how it was ad hominem then? or is that more of your "science"? to make a false claim and refuse/fail to back it up when challenged...  the only thing that was "pointless" was to erroneously claim ad hominem in a logically fallacious attempt to disregard the salient points of my post... after his gross misrepresentation of my previous post...