FIRST FREE ENERGY DEVICE REACHES MARKET IN OCTOBER -- The Game Changer is Here

[MileHigh]

Chess:

I have cited information that says that millions of dollars were spent on LENR with no results.  You have cited people that state that it's real from credible institutions.  Certainly that can go on for a long time.  Also, I am assuming the stuff that I am citing may not have been pertaining to an alleged nickel-hydrogen reaction.  Perhaps some of the links you have cited are the same.

So there is no point in a battle of the links and research papers.  The real focus has to be on Rossi's claim of a functioning nickel-hydrogen LENR fusion reactor that is COP 6 or better and can be used in practical commercial applications.  In other words, forget the test tube type of alleged fusion reaction where they measure microjoules of energy.

So, my stance is that Rossi has proved nothing and his words are suspect and he has lied in the past.

Where do we go from here?  I suppose that we can watch and see what Rossi's next public demonstration will be.  Will is be 'real' or will is be more smoke an mirrors with unverifiable claims and no clear and unambiguous independent third party measurements?

Like I said before, if you are the most ardent Rossi fans, then you should have the loudest voices demanding proper measurements and clear unambiguous data verified by independent third party testers.  If it is real then let it be real.

It can very frustrating to see bogus presentations and just as frustrating to see a cheering section of fanboys and fangirls that never questions anything.  Demand results!

MileHigh

[chessnyt]

I have cited information that says that millions of dollars were spent on LENR with no results.

You focused only on the negative results and left out the positive results altogether!  Do
you think that anybody reading these posts will not notice you have done this?  Really?
(lol)

The real focus has to be on Rossi's claim of a functioning nickel-hydrogen LENR fusion
reactor that is COP 6 or better and can be used in practical commercial applications.  In
other words, forget the test tube type of alleged fusion reaction where they measure
microjoules of energy.

I understand why you would like to isolate the discussion to only Rossi because you can not
debunk LENR technology and this is the technology that Rossi has based his claims on.  It's
the common distraction tactic (hey, look over here and NOT over there) designed to take the
focus away from that which ruins your illusion (magicians use this tactic also).

So, my stance is that Rossi has proved nothing and his words are suspect and he has lied in
the past.

First of all, I think that most people following this thread know your stance so why you
feel the need to keep repeating it simply raises suspicion regarding your TRUE agenda here. 

Secondly, you have lied to us in the past when you stated Rossi was running a scam because
you can't have a scam without ANY victims and you have not given us even ONE SOLITARY VICTIM who has been cheated out of money regarding the E-Cat to date.   I find this lie very
disturbing and discrediting towards you.

It can very frustrating to see bogus presentations and just as frustrating to see a cheering
section of fanboys and fangirls that never questions anything.

I question you all the time.  In fact, I question most of what you post as well as your agenda.  How's that for questioning things?


Regards,

Chess

[MileHigh]

Chess:

I clearly stated that I would be thrilled if this was true.  And in fact I was just trying to bring the discussion back to what the title of the thread states - it's about Rossi allegedly being the first to turn this concept into something real and practical.  The problem is that he hasn't delivered anything solid and concrete so far.  And that's a real problem.  Look at the date in the name for the thread.

Secondly, you have lied to us in the past when you stated Rossi was running a scam because
you can't have a scam without ANY victims and you have not given us even ONE SOLITARY VICTIM who has been cheated out of money regarding the E-Cat to date.

I have alleged that he could be running a scam.  In the same vein, you don't have the slightest idea if there are any people that either are financial victims or will be financial victims if this all turns sour.  What we do know is that this in fact often happen in cases like this.

I question you all the time.  In fact, I question most of what you post as well as your agenda.  How's that for questioning things?

You don't need to play word games.  The issue is about questioning Rossi, not questioning me.  I am not the issue and you should be questioning Rossi.  My agenda is to find the truth.  The truth shold have already been revealed by Rossi as of last October.  He could have done a five-day demo with a single E-Cat unit where the electrical energy in and the thremal energy out could have been easily verified with absolute rock-solid proof that the device functioned like his claims.

MileHigh

[chessnyt]

Chess:

I clearly stated that I would be thrilled if this was true.  And in fact I was just trying to bring the discussion back to what the title of the thread states - it's about Rossi allegedly being the first to turn this concept into something real and practical.  The problem is that he hasn't delivered anything solid and concrete so far.  And that's a real problem.  Look at the date in the name for the thread.

Rossi did indeed meet his deadline as of last October by successfully demonstrating and closing the sale of his first device to his customer who signed off on the deal AFTER a group of his (the customer's) own staff verified the results.  The customer is still satisfied and in fact has ordered more units.  Just because you were not satisfied does not mean that the customer was not and it is THE CUSTOMER (who above everyone else) who has to be convinced and walk away happy (which is what occurred wether you like it or not). 

So the title of this thread DID (past tense) already happen (came to pass as advertised).

Also, it's impossible to judge Rossi's device without looking at the validity of the technology
it's based on.  This technology is LENR and you once again sidestepped the validity of this
technology. 

Once again I will repeat the question following your quote:

I have cited information that says that millions of dollars were spent on LENR with no results.

You focused only on the negative results and left out the positive results altogether!  Do
you think that anybody reading these posts will not notice you have done this?  Really?

I have alleged that he could be running a scam. 

Okay, let us return to my dictionary's definition of "scam".  My dictionary defines "scam" as:

To scam means to victimize: deprive of by deceit; "He swindled me out of my inheritance"; "She defrauded the customers who trusted her"; "the cashier gypped me when he gave me too little change"

So then a victimless scam is a contridiction in terms.  A scam devoid of a victim is not a scam.
 
Now you claim justification for the alegations merely because it is possible. 

Using this qualification, imagine being pulled over by the police and given a ticket.  When you ask the officer why he gave you a speeding ticket, he says it's because it is possible that you were speeding yesterday.  He also includes running two stop signs on the same ticket.  He states that it is possible that two weeks ago you ran two stop signs and so you are guilty of these violations as well and he is justified.

Imagine walking into a court room and a judge sentences a room full of people to the death penalty for murder.  In his sentencing speech, he declares that although there is no proof whatsoever, it is possible all these people murdered someone somewhere and therefore must be guilty.

Can you see a problem with this mentality or is this just perfectly normal to you?


Regards,

Chess

[Gwandau]

MileHigh,

unfortunately the present stage of the Rossi story does not allow for any conclusions whatsoever.
It's still all up to your own personality, do you want to believe this is actually happening or not?


Perhaps you are the type of person that choses to call the glass of water "half empty", indicating a change towards decrease in the volume.
This type of personality believe that a negative outlook is favorable, since a negative outcome in cases like this is more usual.

The other type of personality calls it "half full", indicating a change towards increase in volume, not because the positive outcome is more frequent,
but due to the descision to be open to a positive outcome until proven wrong.

It's similar to the choice done by those that prefer to give the well known entrophy the universal lead role versus the less known syntrophy.

Actually, are there any cases like this, going this far, involving this much highly academic interest as well as trusts and cooperations involved
in the development?

One big question remains for the pessimist:
Since Rossi won't get any money from any sold e-cats until interests are returned to the Trust in charge, why on earth would he lie???


Everything boils down to this right now:

As long as no obvious proof exists in any direction, nobody is smarter or more realistic,
the optimist is just bravehearted and the pessimist is nothing but a coward.

Gwandau