FIRST FREE ENERGY DEVICE REACHES MARKET IN OCTOBER -- The Game Changer is Here

[Gwandau]

MileHigh,

thanks for a descent response to my earlier post in this overheated topic.

To give Andrea Rossi a five year term to prove he's walking his talk is quite generous, but then again we may have to
take into consideration the counteracting efforts made by those not approving this possible change in energy source.

Regarding the LENR process, I would be very thankful to get hold of any scientifically approved report on the precise
nuclear process present in LENR. As far as I know, no such approved report exists.

To the contrary, any credited nuclear scientist tells us it is impossible to create a fusion reaction of the e-cat magnitude without a lot more gamma radiation
expressed in a fusion process. The few centimeters of lead is far from enough to shield the e-cat, if seen from old school nuclear science.

This is where things get strange, since if the ratio of isotopes in the copper would have been according to old school knowledge, the fusion process needed for
the transition to the expected isotope ratio would have been bound to incorporate a massive production of gamma radiation, far above the levels detected.

It may be that the isotope ratios identical to naturally occurring copper is the very sign that the nuclear process in LENR is something quite different to regular fusion.

So the scenario is that if you are observing LENR from the orthodox standpoint, everything points to that Andrea Rossi is a con artist.

But if you take a step outside the box and observe this strange isotope deviation as a sign of entrance into uncharted areas of nuclear knowledge,
things become intriguing and inspiring.

As I said earlier, it's all about chosing side this far into the story.

Gwandau

[javedjim]

What a lovely forum page. I’ll undoubtedly be back again. Please maintain writing!

[TinselKoala]

So... Rossi's domestic ECat is supposed to be the size of a laptop computer. And, all packaged up and ready for shipping to the customer or the Big Box Store, it is supposed to come to much less than 0.25 cubic meter. OK, I guess nobody has actually bought a laptop lately and had to deal with the packaging and so on.

The size of a laptop computer. And it has a COP of 6, and produces 10 kW of heat. The COP of six means that it must be SUPPLIED, constantly, and for at least an hour before and an hour after heat producing operation, an electrical INPUT of 10 kW/6, or over 1600 Watts. The most powerful portable electric heaters and toaster ovens available for domestic use in the USA are rated at 1500 Watts maximum. They are somewhat larger than a laptop, especially when you include the packaging and accessories. And if you set one on your kitchen table and turn it on.... your kitchen will warm up fairly quickly. And these are devices that contain nothing more complex than a length of nichrome wire and a simple bimetal thermostat.

What is the output capacity of the plant in China that makes these electric heaters and toaster ovens? Do they do a million units a year? How long did it take the Chinese to get such a plant into operation? Have you  ever had a problem of any kind with a device that came from a Chinese high-volume factory? Would you want a fusion reactor from a high-volume Chinese factory sitting in your basement?
Is there an Italian espresso machine factory that makes a million espresso machines a year?

They are just questions, Leon.



Some further links on the toxicity of nickel and nickel powder:
From the Wiki:

Toxicity In the US, the minimal risk level of nickel and its compounds is set to 0.2 µg/m³ for inhalation during 15â€"364 days.^[55] Nickel sulfide fume and dust are believed to be carcinogenic, and various other nickel compounds may be as well.^[56][57] Nickel carbonyl, [Ni(CO)₄], is an extremely toxic gas. The toxicity of metal carbonyls is a function of both the toxicity of the metal as well as the carbonyl's ability to give off highly toxic carbon monoxide gas, and this one is no exception; nickel carbonyl is also explosive in air.^[58][59] Sensitized individuals may show an allergy to nickel, affecting their skin, also known as dermatitis. Sensitivity to nickel may also be present in patients with pompholyx. Nickel is an important cause of contact allergy, partly due to its use in jewellery intended for pierced ears.^[60] Nickel allergies affecting pierced ears are often marked by itchy, red skin. Many earrings are now made nickel-free due to this problem. The amount of nickel allowed in products that come into contact with human skin is regulated by the European Union. In 2002, researchers found amounts of nickel being emitted by 1 and 2 Euro coins far in excess of those standards. This is believed to be due to a galvanic reaction.^[61]
Nickel was voted Allergen of the Year in 2008 by the American Contact Dermatitis Society.^[62]
Reports also showed that both the nickel-induced activation of hypoxia-inducible factor (HIF-1) and the up-regulation of hypoxia-inducible genes are due to depleted intracellular ascorbate levels. The addition of ascorbate to the culture medium increased the intracellular ascorbate level and reversed both the metal-induced stabilization of HIF-1- and HIF-1α-dependent gene expression.^[63][64]

A MDS data sheet on nickel powder:
http://nickel.vale.com/products/_pdf/msds/Nickel_Powder_Type_255-EU.pdf

A 'herbal remedies' site with links on nickel toxicity:
http://www.herbalremedies.com/nickel-toxicity-information.html

A good scholarly article on nickel toxicity:
http://rais.ornl.gov/tox/profiles/nickel_and_nickel_compounds_f_V1.html

Note that nickel powder is often prepared from nickel carbonyl, an extremely toxic fluid, liquid or gaseous. This fluid is also used in isotopic enrichment of nickel.

[lumen]

@ TinselKoala

I agree with you on that Gamma emissions are simply more energetic X-rays. Rossi does say his device emits Gamma rays that are low energy which is to say X-rays is it not? In fact X-rays are low energy Gamma rays and are considered Gamma rays when they are above some energy level.
I'm not sure who is offering their experience on the ability to manufacture a million units a year, but this task is not as difficult as it's being made out to be. Surly no idiot would just build a single line and expect it to output a million units a year! The idea is to build a simple line to produce a few hundred units a week, perfect it to produce good units, improve the throughput, then duplicate the lines as the last step. Are these idiots actually in charge of ANY production in the US? No wonder the US is going to crap! we have dumb asses in charge.

[MileHigh]

Loner:

Your characterization is not true and you are just spinning the facts to argue your own extreme point of view.  Who wouldn't want it to turn out that nickel and hydrogen could become a nearly unlimited source of power?

The problem is, how come the very first time Rossi was supposed to make a definitive and clear presentation of his system that could be easily verified by unbiased third-party testers this WASN'T DONE?   Why?  Why does that always happen?

How come when he was going to demonstrate the one-megawatt system he only demonstrated allegedly 400 kilowatts and and there STILL wasn't clear and unambiguous measurements made by independent third-party testers?  How come while he was allegedly demonstrating 400 kilowatts output there was a big honking 500 kilowatt generator running at the SAME TIME?

Do you ever ask yourself these types of questions?

Look, what's the easiest and simplest and least ambiguous way to demonstrate heat production?

The answer is to run cold water in at a measurable flow rate and then run the same water out at an elevated temperature at the identical flow rate.  That is the GIANT NO-BRAINER way to measure heat production and everybody knows that.

What does Rossi do?  Claim steam production, all very ambiguous, not easy to measure at all, all sorts of arguments about wet steam vs. dry stream.....  A bloody mess!

Myself and thousands and thousands of other people were anticipating the no-brainer test and I was shocked when it wasn't done.

So what you need to to is open your mind.  So far, Rossi is following the "con by numbers" book all the way....  Seriously, open your mind.

I would be thrilled if this were all true... But as it stands now, it looks like Rossi will be promising the "real demo this time" in 2020.  That's a shame.

MileHigh

P.S.:  You and others are dreaming in technicolour if you think this device will be "non-complicated."   If this thing is real and it malfunctions while you are standing next to it it could emit enough gamma radiation to kill you in two hours.  It's bloody nuclear reactor, think about that.  Some of you make it sound like they are building a cheese cutter.