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[chessnyt]

@Everyone:
Here are some more recent quotes from Rossi:

Andrea Rossi
May 15th, 2012 at 10:39 PM

Dear Alex 2E:

In this moment your question is very important, even if I have already answered to it many times in the past, but it is opportune to remember that:

1- We made thousands of hours of measurements with specialists from the University of Bologna (Prof. Sergio Focardi, Dr David Bianchini, Prof. Pierluigi Rossi et al.) to detect the radiations out of the E-Cats and around: never have been found values significantly above the background

2- microwaves ovens, cell phones, television sets have values not inferior than the E-Cats, and the laws regarding such appliances are the same valid for the E-Cats

3- I spend not less than an average of 10 hours per day in proximity of operating E-Cats from the year 2008.

Thank you very much for your important question.

Warm Regards,
A.R.


Andrea Rossi
May 16th, 2012 at 9:58 AM

Dear Antonella:

We must put a clear distinction between competitors, acting as “neutral validators” and true scientists: we are working very well with many of the best scientists who are helping us very much. I am referring, among the others, to the military scientists working on our plant.

Warm Regards,
A.R.


Pekka Janhunen
May 17th, 2012 at 10:48 AM

The claimed ‘conflicting statements’ about nuclear/non-nuclear in the De Vincenti text possibly has its origin in an Internet misquotation of a Florida radiation official’s written statement which I here assume is authentic (http://newenergytimes.com/v2/sr/RossiECat/docs/20120309BRC-Report.pdf, page 31):

“He acknowledged that no nuclear reactions occur during the process and that only low energy photons in the energy range of 50-100 keV occur within the device. There are no radiation readings above background when the device is in operation. Since the device is not a reactor, the NRC does not have jurisdiction. Since there is no radioactive materials used in the construction and no radioactive waste is generated by it, the State of Florida. Bureau of Radiation Control has no jurisdiction.”

Almost nothing could be clearer than this. Still, some people managed to mix it up, because “he acknowledged that no nuclear reactions occur during the process” was echoed on some websites as a ‘proof’ that Rossi had been double-tongued about radiation. They dropped the continuation of the sentence which makes it purposeful.

It seems that in the radiation authority’s language, the word “nuclear” has a specific meaning which covers fissionable and radioactive isotopes, but does not include photon sources such as x-ray machines or E-cats.

One can claim on the Net anything. In this case it seems that a Net misquotation found its way to the undersecretary’s statement.

Andrea Rossi
May 17th, 2012 at 5:16 PM

Dear Pekka Janhunen:

You are right, but the persons that misrepresented the statement are experts who made it on purpose, to damage us.

The USA Authority has been absolutely perfect and right.

Warm Regards,
A.R.

So it is very important for everyone here to associate false statements and misleading spin with propaganda and trolls.  There is no reason to make false statements unless the truth is not on their side. 

The truth is that I not only have "real-world experience on the tech side of things", but I have been working with high tech equipment and systems for over 20 years.  It's how I make my living and if I didn't know my business, I'd be out of a job by now. 

It's funny how the ones stating I have "no real-world experience on the tech side of things" are the ones that have never heard of quadrium until I taught them about it    That is also fact 


Enjoy,

Chess

[gravityblock]

Gravityblock:

The problem is that these are your personal theories and I am going to assume that you don't have anything to back them up.  You cannot extend the concept of electromagnetic radiation to the weak nuclear force.  From what I understand the strong force and the weak force can be compared to gravitational force, but only acting at very short distances, and they are not comparable to electromagnetic radiation.  There is no "wavelength" or "intensity" or propagation through a medium associated with the weak force to make the weak force analogous to EM radiation. Your comparison is not valid in my opinion.

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You are implying that everything is at a lower level.  In my opinion you are missing the point.  "Low level" refers to the amount of energy required to get one nucleus to smash into another nucleus with enough force to create fusion.  It has nothing to do the resulting reaction after the fusion takes place.  Seriously, anybody reading this that thought "everything is different" is making a big mistake.

MileHigh

I'm going to answer this dumbass post of yours for the second time.  You say I can't extend the concept of the electromagnetic radiation to the weak nuclear force.  This is exactly what the standard model does, which I've already shown via reply #1074, which includes references to Frank Wilczek, a Nobel Prize Winner.  You say this is my own personal theory and you will assume I have nothing to back it up.  I have the standard model which has combined the weak and electromagnetic interactions into an unified electroweak theory.  You say my comparison isn't valid in your opinion.  Well, I personally don't think your opinion against my comparison holds much weight, especially against a nobel prize winner and the standard model.

Low level gamma rays refers to low velocity and momentum, which is due to the huge difference in mass between the W and Z particles as compared to conventional photons with no mass.  The weak and electromagnetic forces have essentially equal strengths.  This is because the strength of the interaction depends strongly on both the mass of the force carrier and the distance of the interaction.  If Rossi was referring to highly energetic x-rays, then he would have used the term "soft" gamma rays or "hard" x-rays instead of using "low level" gamma rays.

Low level Nuclear Reactions occur when the force carrying particles (photons, and W &Z particles) of the electroweak force converge where their mass are equal, thus the strength and range of the force becomes the same for the force carrying bosons (photons and W-Z particles).   In other words, LENR's is the result where the strength and range of the electromagnetic and weak nuclear forces converge with each other.  It's proven that Radio Frequencies increase the LENR's considerably.  The RF can be considered a source of mass for the  electroweak or LENR interactions (electromagnetic and weak nuclear interactions).  This RF mass is then converted into pure energy during the electroweak interactions.  This is where the excess heat is generated.

Gravock

[MileHigh]

Lumen:

I have read that comment many times for various propositions, "no test will satisfy bla bla."  I don't buy it.  I have read several proposals for tests that sounded 100% legitimate.  Any scientist worth his or her salt will be able to present credible data - run a single unit for two weeks continuously with water temp in and water temp out and water flow constantly monitored and the electrical power being provided to the device constantly monitored.  It's doable.

Chess:

he truth is that I not only have "real-world experience on the tech side of things", but I have been working with high tech equipment and systems for over 20 years.  It's how I make my living and if I didn't know my business, I'd be out of a job by now.

Did you say that you program relay ladder logic systems and PLC controllers?  Technology is a pretty wide field.  When you made reference to the danger of the "boiler" blowing up I made the assumption that you had no clue what an automatic pressure release valve was.  There were half a dozen clues that you are out of your realm.

t's funny how the ones stating I have "no real-world experience on the tech side of things" are the ones that have never heard of quadrium until I taught them about it    That is also fact 

Ha ha ha, that's really funny.  I have been watching science shows for 40+ years and took a few physics and chemistry courses and try to keep my mind active and I can't recall ever hearing mention of quadrium.  I make no apologies.   

Gravityblock:

The web site you linked to looked 100% legit.  The Electroweak theory seems interesting.  I am not qualified to converse about quantum theory and nuclear physics.  The problem I have is that what may be "so obvious" to you might not be with other LENR researchers or maintream nuclear physicists.  We can wait and see if the three main proponents in this drama actually produce a working industrial or commercial system.

MileHigh

[lumen]

I have read that comment many times for various propositions, "no test will satisfy bla bla."  I don't buy it.  I have read several proposals for tests that sounded 100% legitimate.  Any scientist worth his or her salt will be able to present credible data - run a single unit for two weeks continuously with water temp in and water temp out and water flow constantly monitored and the electrical power being provided to the device constantly monitored.  It's doable.

MileHigh

Yes you are right!
You could then simply read the results and believe they are true!

[chessnyt]

@MileOff:

Chess:

Did you say that you program relay ladder logic systems and PLC controllers?  Technology is a pretty wide field. 

No, what I actually said was "Part of my expertise is in the automation of industrial processes and equipment...".  Notice the first word?  Notice I didn't say "all"?  Now pay attention so I don't have to keep taking you to school.  This is getting old having to take you by the hand.

When you made reference to the danger of the "boiler" blowing up I made the assumption that you had no clue what an automatic pressure release valve was. 

I have worked on high pressure steam systems before and I sure as hell already knew about 
automatic pressure release valves before you jumped to conclusions (a bad habit of yours) and ASSUMED that I did not. 

Now if anyone wants to see (once again  ) that MileHigh is a mile off, just go to Reply #515 of this thread.  Here's a quote from that reply (back in January  ) where I had mentioned such a safety device: 

"There have been steam driven devices and systems long before the arrival of the grid.  There are safety relief valves (even your water heater in your home has to have one) which open up automatically when a safe pressure has been exceeded."

Once again, you have put your foot in your mouth trying to spread disinformation and you have made a COMPLETE fool out of yourself in the process.  You hang yourself every time.

Ha ha ha, that's really funny.  I have been watching science shows for 40  years and took a few physics and chemistry courses and try to keep my mind active and I can't recall ever hearing mention of quadrium.  I make no apologies.   

And no, you should not apologise for your own ignorance.  I realize that you can not help it that you are inadequate.

Now before you start another pissing contest with me, you just may want to ask yourself just one little question.  Do you feel lucky?  Well do you?


Chess