FIRST FREE ENERGY DEVICE REACHES MARKET IN OCTOBER -- The Game Changer is Here

[WilbyInebriated]

There may have been test tube validations of LENR, but I am still a bit suspicious in that case.  I am talking about validations of the E-Cat.  There have been no independent validations of the E-Cat, period.  If there have been, show me some links please.

I disagree with your comments about the factory.  In fact, I disagree with the whole concept of setting up a factory production line without a finished design.  Many references have been made about an automated production line and it doesn't smell right.  Do you remember this PESN headline, "Ismael envisions one million charging stations by the end of 2011."  There are zero charging stations for Ismael's non-existent car that runs on "vacuum energy."  Right now the factory has about as much credibility as Ismael's one million charging stations.

I would understand the paramount devastating result of an ecological breakdown - if there was one.  There is no impending collapse on the horizon and like I said, all of the ecological doomsday scenarios are just hysterical rhetoric with no sound basis in fact.

What would you think if the Mediterranean Sea were to dry up?  Can you imagine posing that question to some people?  They would freak out and proclaim that it would completely upset the world's ecosystems and cause an uncontrollable ecological disaster.  Well, in fact that actually happened and the world is still here.  As long as the Sun shines and pours down energy on plants and algae then the bottom of the food chain is there to sustain everything else in the food chain.  The sun powers the carbon cycle which sustains all life on Earth.  Life is so pervasive and it exists almost anywhere.  There are even bacteria that live in the fuel tanks of jet airplanes.  Life is very robust and very strong as long as the sun shines.  Many people forget that or they are completely ignorant.

Like I said, it's not as delicate as you state.  If you wiped out all of the elephants, tigers, lions, and giraffes in the world it would be a very unfortunate thing, but life will adapt and carry on.  It will not "upset a delicate balance" and bring about a major collapse, that's just a fantasy.  As long as the energy source is there to sustain life, then life will continue on.

Let's see if there is a single functioning E-Cat anywhere in the world by December 31, 2013.  I am talking about something that is non-military and being used for home or industrial use and has been independently verified.

And you know what?  If there is no E-Cat functioning anywhere in the world there is already an explanation for the die-hared rabid free energy fanatics.  The explanation is that "Rossi sold out to the military."  It's so predictable sometimes.

MileHigh

[MileHigh]

There is only one troll on this web site and we all know who it is.

[Gwandau]

And you know what?  If there is no E-Cat functioning anywhere in the world there is already an explanation for the die-hared rabid free energy fanatics.  The explanation is that "Rossi sold out to the military."  It's so predictable sometimes.

MileHigh

And you know what?  If there is no E-Cat functioning anywhere in the world there is always only one explanation for the die-hard orthodoxy fanatics. The explanation is that "Rossi was a fake."  It's so predictable sometimes.

Gwandau

[chessnyt]

@Everyone:
Today, Rossi responds to a question regarding the release of the first mass produced LENR product:

Nixter
July 2nd, 2012 at 12:11 PM

Engineer Andrea Rossi,

There is an interesting new Poll at E-Cat World, http://www.e-catworld.com/
Who Will Produce the First Mass Market LENR Product?
Leonardo Corp. (A. Rossi)
Other
I voted that Leonardo Corp. (A. Rossi) will be first.
Do you think I am right? You are perhaps the only person in the world who knows the answer to this.


Andrea Rossi
July 2nd, 2012 at 12:43 PM

Dear Nixter:

We are already producing plants. Your choice is right and easy.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

Chess 

[MileHigh]

Chess:

A "Mass Market LENR Product" means that they are inquiring about a home product or a commercial product for industry.  This would not apply to the container with the individual pods.  Note Rossi's reply is "We are already producing plants" which would seem to imply the container system.

I also note that these questions posed to him are nearly always very sycophantic in nature.  Hank Mills is the worst offender in that department.

One can speculate that if Rossi actually had some action going on, like say a team of 50 people working on the setup and production line for a "mass market LENR product" then he would truly have something to say when the question was posed to him.  Perhaps something like, "we have done pilot runs of 50 beta test units" or "our factory is in the final stages of rolling out our first home (or industrial) units"  Instead, we get this dry reply lacking in any real content, "we are already producing plants."

Without any substance in Rossi's reply, it sounds like he is brushing off a sycophant, and nothing more.  At the same time, if Rosssi really and truly had something substantive to say, then human nature being what it is, he would probably have given some details, even if they were only sketchy details.

I would love for this to be real and perhaps the test tubes are going to prove that it is real.  But if it is real then Rossi does not sound like the person that is going to bring it to fruition.  There just doesn't seem to be any meat on the bone.

Who comprises Rossi's development team?  I am not aware of any discussion related to that.  My gut feel is that Leonardo Corporation's footprint in the USA is just a single room Rossi's condo in Miami.  I sincerely hope it's more than that.

The narrative for this story, specifically the Rossi E-Cat story, not the published results story, still does not look real and still is not inspiring.  In upcoming months we we see what happens.  If we start getting news that looks credible and sounds substantive, then perhaps my opinion will change.

Let me illustrate my point with this PESN article, "A Visit to Inteligentry," the infamous noble gas engine brothers.

http://pesn.com/2012/06/19/9602113_A_Visit_to_Inteligentry/

A claim is made by John Rohner that they have a "noble gas engine" that can output tens of kilowatts of power.

Here is someone's comment from very early on in the discussion:

<<< Generators are not loads.  They can be conveyances to loads.  There is no evidence of any test stands.  There is no evidence of a load bank or other power dissipative device that could handle even the smaller 20kW or the larger 30kW which would only correspond to 40HP, not the 150HP claimed.  Let's not forget the bogus claims to 300kW.  >>>

Do you get the point?  How many times in the realm of free energy have you read that somebody has some kind of motor that can output 10 or 20 kilowatts?  I have read it dozens of times myself.  If you make that claim then you must have some test apparatus to measure that output power - a huge generator connected to a huge resistive load bank, something!  And if you have that load bank you are sure as hell going to put it into your pictures of your equipment.  Yet all the Rohner brothers can show if pictures of their alleged noble gas engines and nothing more!  They are con artists running a 20 year long con.

Unfortunately, with Rossi right now we are in similar territory.  No pictures of production line robots being uncrated, no pictures of end-of-line test stations, no discussion of a software engineer working in conjunction with an electrical engineer and an LENR scientist to develop the control system to control the heat generation and heat extraction from the reactor core, nothing.

Again, human psychology being what it is (and I am just speculating as a lay person here), if Rossi had a core team of a software engineer, an electrical engineer, and an LENR scientist working on the control system that has to be at the heart of every home E-Cat you could expect that he would mention it or at least drop hints about it.

I will repeat, I could have a totally different view of this whole story if things seemed right.  If the tests were unambiguous and verified by third parties, if we heard something about the development team or the team setting up the factory, SOMETHING.

I have met hundreds and hundreds of engineers and I have been in dozens and dozens of high tech factories and I know what is involved in launching a product on the scale that Rossi is talking about and I have reasonable expectations on what we should be seeing right now in this ongoing narrative.  We are simply not seeing what I believe we should be seeing.

MileHigh