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Simple Theory of How to Generate Current From One Magnet

Started by studentofhistory, October 12, 2011, 04:53:07 PM

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studentofhistory

QuoteWhat is important to note here, is that for current to be induced, there must be a CHANGE in flux. Not merely a difference in flux between two coils, or flux density gradient across the length of a coil.

So let me see if I got this straight. A difference in flux density gradient across the length of a coil is not the same thing as a change in flux. Huh? What's the difference? If you have a change in flux, do you not get a difference in flux density gradient across the length of a coil for a tiny fraction of a second? How does the coil 'know' that the total amount of flux inside the iron core has changed or not changed if it's not the flux density at the surface of the core that supplies the critical information?

fritznien

its the difference between a waterfall and a pond.
changing/moving field changes with time for each cross section of conductor.
static field gradient, differant for differant cross sections but each cross section remains static.
fritznien

lumen

The problem with this idea is that current in a coil is not technically caused by the change in field strength, it is induced when the magnetic field lines of force are pushed from one side of the conductor to the other side. That is why current is only generated from a moving magnet. Changing the field density usually causes some field lines to cross through the conductor but is not in itself the reason current is induced in the conductor.
As the field line tries to cross the conductor an electron starts to move which then generates a field in opposition to the field line that is trying to incite the movement.


onthecuttingedge2005

if you watch electromagnets and magnets bend an electromotive current in a vacuum tube then you'll realize how electrons are moved in a wire, electrons were not created with lower value magnetism, they were already available, just moved on line by magnetic forces. Electron displacement and recycle.

it takes 1,016 Tesla magnetic field to make a virtual electron a real electron. this is a fact.

it will take a minimum of 1,016 Tesla magnetic field to make the virtual electron particle world become real and work in your favor.

it will require higher magnetic energies to tare relativity apart and then the rules of energy change dramatically.

all of you, you are not working with enough electro/magnetic energy to defeat natures laws.

maybe at the macro and or the quantum per cm squared. rules do change, but you are not the maker of rules, nature is. you just find the new rules and apply them.

Jerry 8)

Doug1

Studentofhistory
Are you splitting hairs for the sake of clarity? The magnet will only cause a reaction when its flux comes into contact with the core and coil. It would look like a single 1/2wave on a scope for that short time then go flat and never move again unless the magnet is moved away or flipped north for south. If it just sits there static then the coil will also be static after the first introduction. No net preasure remains. It is very short temporary reaction. If your thinking or comparing it to a magnet sticking to another metal object which is continous that is because the object is made with random ordered material which resists perminant alienment. Just like when a spring wants to return to it's shape or length. That provides the stick to itiveness to the magnet. If that was then wrapped with a wire coil the coupling of the magnet to the wire is very lossy. The wire wont stick like the core will. It does not have the same properties. It acts more like sympithetic induction from that respect. Still to get a constant flow or reaction takes a constantly changing feild. It's really not very efficient mechanically. Not like locking two gears together.Still beats the crap out of having the planet wrapped with pullies and belts or long trails of gears.
If you aiming to produce something that does not require mechanical input you have to tap an outside source of fluctuations.More imortantly with that is to filter out unwanted intrusions from other sources which may act to cancel out your target frequency. With that you would find most naturally acurring freq's are week except for lightning strikes.You could take the route of getting all the week freq's to sync through individual conversion to single one but that would be a lot of work.Plus you would need a good method of detection, long term plotting ect..
As for the notion of a static magnetic solenoid creating a constant output there is no way unless an outside force is working against the magnet. The magnet in question would have to be week enough to interact,then your back to a feeble output to the xtent that you may not even be able to detect it.