Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells

[Peanutbutter29]

nice video B_rads!  I wonder if that's the simplest method to make power if crap had hit the fan, lol.  I'd seen the wiki on those and Al having a good power density.  I noted the AlOH being an issue with em.  Although the Acid alkaline version looked very nice!

I'm curious,  how long are you getting before they poof?  Are you seeing the Electrolyte dry before the Hydroxide kills the cell;  or does the gel kill em?  Not sure how long that whole process takes.

@Phi, nice research on testing the ratios of durhams.  You may possibly be able to run a higher percentage if you put a separator on the Al electrode.  Also, you may throw a bit of carbon or graphite in for conductivity.  If you use activated carbon, make sure it has "off-gassed" first, otherwise you'll introduce CO2 into the mix;  though you may want an aspect of that.....controllable porosity.

@Triffid, doing all the organic stuff...I wonder if you can make  a cell that changes color as it gets used up?  You'd know when it was dead that way

I've been doing a bunch of research and trying to source parts.  I've been looking over a lot of works from Zamboni.  I believe he is the Tesla of his day, lol.  I do find it odd that history does not attribute Volta and Zamboni to using Manganese in 1810-;  but rather saying it was first used in the Carbon Zinc dry cell.  Even more odd, is that carbon isn't in the reaction of said cell, sigh.  I DO believe most technically, Zamboni then, is the inventor of the Modern dry cell;  not the few who patented it around 1890.  In addition, he was utilizing "secondary cell" aspects, or modern day rechargeable features;  I suppose then he was the first to invent those too.  If you compare designs, he actually was way ahead of his time.

Oh, the video using just water and 2 papers to separate, with one dry;   that's Zamboni's first design .  I've been able to finally assemble his last cell design;  The perpetual electromotor and get readings for such.  I plan on making a stack probably at some point, though I may take the new knowledge and modernize it a bit. 

Not sure if others here have done his cells to compare or not; but I'm getting between .6-.4v and 10-3uA depending on humidity.  As Zamboni mentioned they do not work if completely dry (<35%) and I have to agree with science to say they are chemical in action. I've stacked these to 1.5v with a marginal loss in current, but I can only imagine with 1000+ stacks how low that would be, heh. 

To give a comparison though, the same materials fully wet and submerged in a solution of the electrolyte gave;  .6v @ 2uA and a more modern dry (wet) cell configuration gave 740mv and 20uA max.  So, most probably, his cells would last an exceedingly long time even if wet.

He did mention the possible use of one other electrolyte, that did increase current;  though since it was chemically reactive, "would not be perpetual". 

At any rate, I did get to test all my first cells with the JT circuit I put together.  The black cell would pulse the light and all other cells were too low for the .5v 50uA minimum for the circuit; though they all show starting voltages of 1.3-1.6v.  I haven't thrown any water in the superheated one to see if I would light, though I have no doubts since still solid.

The IB glue cells I had made were around .6v each, so I tried them in series and showed 1.1v unloaded;  though they couldn't get the circuit going.  I left a wire connecting the two and in a couple days I checked and the volts were 0!?  I guess you don't want to leave these connected sitting.
I suppose it's been a few weeks since they were all put together though.  Onto other things!

I have a cell design running while I wait on more parts and pieces.  One cell will run my crummy JT proto circuit though. (pic at bottom)  I plan on going through the JT design, but haven't had time;  so she stays in proto fashion for a while.  Anyway, the cell shown has just at 1v and 100ua Shorted through meter.  Gel electrolyte of AlSO4, Mn02 and Al electrodes;  paper separator no acid, chlorine, etc.  Just made, so no clue on run time, though should be related mostly to moisture.

Thanks

[triffid]

27 hours after I put together the dandelion cells,I see corrosion of the magnesium.I see bubbles and I see black oxides forming  on the magnesium strips.I am not too surprised.Oxalic acid is 3000 times stronger than acetic acid.The only source of corrosive acids for the magnesium strips in these cells is the dandelion leaf.triffid






PB,I used something to repair some holes in the wall.It was pink when wet and white when it dries.

[triffid]

I'm getting a pretty good voltage from these dandelion cells,mostly 1.33 volts,one gives me 1.42 volts.All six cells still need to dry more.Copper is corroded with a slight green color(I expected that).I did not expect the magnesium to be corroded already.Tells me oxalic acid is more powerful than I expected.Only takes a tiny amount.I guess.triffid


I'm glad I didn't use the barkeepers friend I bought or those magnesium strips would be broken by now.

[triffid]

B-rads,I liked the electrolyte You used for your air /aluminum battery   (white vineagar and salt).I tend to not like salt solutions because they can make chlorine gas.But that doesn't mean they are not useful.triffid


I really liked your electrode(5 or more strands of copper wire) that you placed on your activated carbon.
Bare metal window screen would work too.

[triffid]

PC, great photos!Looks like you are doing the most precise work so far.I tend to eyeball stuff going into my cells.I wanted to use organic sources of organic acids.So out in the wild you can have electricity.triffid