Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells

[jbignes5]

Hello Triffid and IB...


Yeah triffid these are very novel batteries.


@IB  Thats very interesting. You might think of them this way. Think of them as strings pulled tightly. When you compress them it pulls the string tighter raising the pitch of the sound the string makes. As you compress the crystals it makes them more sensitive to the surrounding natural energy vibrations. It allows the natural electric vibrations to be amplified by the piezoelectric nature of the crystals. This energy that you see coming out of these batteries are simply the static portion of energy. Thats why there is no current per say. And nick is right since this voltage has little in the way of current it allows you to run the diodes well beyond their natural capabilities as plengo has been finding out.


Now what can we do with this then? Well as long as you have voltage we can complete a path and through induction can transform it down and increase the current. This is what is being done with the oscillators. This energy can even charge caps and discharged into a coil to give even more punch through a step down transformer.


I think there is a limit to the additive nature of the cells. What I mean is like diodes they have a reverse breakdown value. When this reverse breakdown value is reached they go into electrolysis mode and that destroys the battery... The problem is how do we figure that value out? Someone out there has made a huge stack of these and it seems they hold up well.. Let me see if I can get the video of it.


here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGdpa3GKN34&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PLF04D0E8898016703

Now lets think of this from a different perspective. When I was playing with my batteries I switched the meter to ac and to my chagrin I saw a much higher voltage then what was seen as DC. I know that will happen even with regular batteries but this was different. When I put a fullwave bridge rectifier on it I got the same voltage out as if the rectifier wasn't there. Now think of what an led is... Diode? Aha!!!! You got it. You would think that the rectifier would drop the voltage real low but yet I got the same numbers when reading the dc after the rectifier. Maybe the diodes are doing the same thing. They are being powered by AC and not dc. I have not scoped the batteries yet but I am thinking I will find an ac voltage there but I have to remake my set. I used the bad salt substitute and they ran dry. They still have some voltage but not like they were when I first made them...


I also see plengo is using carbon now and that is wonderful. I think he will see some longevity with those batteries now but we will see. My test with aluminum and carbon came out real bad. The aluminum was eaten apart by the water I used to cement the carbon with graphite lead with. The oxidation layer I tried to leave on the aluminum wasn't thick enough and it ate clear trough the cap can I used. Plengo has gone the route of copper, carbon, alum, sodium something and magnesium, He is getting very good results and likewise increased led output from only 3 cells. But if he is using water I fear he is going to be discouraged when he finds corrosion from the water, even with the oxidation on the magnesium. I think carbon eats the oxidation layer but I haven't tested that out yet.

[NickZ]

   It is possible that when using carbon and magnesium, or aluminum that even in a dry cell there may be some corrosion in the metals, if air is present, but that is where a protective layer of oxides on the metals would help, also,  sealing the cell. 
  I think that the main thing is finding the way to totally avoid water, instead of relying on it.  But, what can you do with just voltage, I can't light an led on 7.5 volts, alone without some current. Maybe it takes a higher voltage yet.
   I think that the idea that if a cells voltage gets to be above a voltage that is the cells  electronegative values, galvanics will take over.  But, below that value there is another process going on.  So, how to utilize and improve on that is the trick,  maybe that doesn't have to end at the microamps levels.
   The idea of using tourmaline in the cell mix sound interesting.  I still go for the quartz/carbon combo. 
  Plengo has been having some luck with the activated aquarium carbon.  I'll have to give that a try sometime...  the B.B.Q. charcoal here is no good for cell use.

[triffid]

Lets look at it like the solar panels.Whats the maximum number of solar cells that you can in a solar panel?Can I put one 1000 cells in series?Or is there a limit?If I have only voltage what can I do with it?A while back I said that I guessed these devices may be less than one percent
efficient.Let me run with that just a little.If I am correct.I found someone on the net who said he got 2.55 volts and 1/10 amp out of one crystal cell.So 2.55 volts x100=255.0 volts,then 100x1/10=10.At close to 100 percent efficiency then we should get 255 volts x10 amps =2550 watts of power could be possible per cell.If only we knew how to get it.We have known about the photoelectric effect since 1905 I believe but it was only in the 1950's that the solar cell was first marketed to the public with about 4 percent efficiency.Today you are lucky to buy solar cells that are 10 percent efficient.I did buy one at 20 percent.It was neat to see it charging at even low light levels.triffid

[triffid]

Not too long ago like last month it was announced that 40 percent efficient solar cells had been developed.If cost effective each state could generate enough power for its own use just by setting aside enough land to build photovoltaic power generating  plants.

[triffid]

Yes I believe that what we make at home right now are less than one percent efficient.Never the less we are showing that here is a power source waiting to be tapped and developed.triffid