Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells

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Another guy showing how he made his crystal cells.He has one two years old.   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bmxIwgLYEY&feature=related  triffid

This one is pretty easy to solve as I know it well from leaching.  Pyrite reacts with water to produce good ole' sulfuric acid.  The sand he mentions becomes the porous Ion separator.  The battery would be dead (similar to a lead acid) when the outer steel rings' surface was reduced with sulfates. Low current from low level of sulfuric acid and reactivity....also explains the "better with age". 
**Pyrite should never be used unless you want or are utilizing sulfuric acid.

@IB, your video of the current did spark an idea for a way (for us all) to have a standard "load" test.  What was the Ohm value of that resistor?  If we all used the same value resistor and simultaneously checked volts and amps;  we should get a good base for Watt output of these various cells.  The resistor would play a big factor in resultant voltage / current though.  For instance .225v in 100 ohms - 2.25ma , 1000ohms - 225uA etc. 

Also, taking a look at both Carbon paper and Carbonless Paper;  neither actually use carbon?!  Both say its' a dry ink, not sure if that's what you want or not.  I suppose you could make some with graphite powder (lubricant), carbon powder or charcoal powder

In looking up potato batteries, wiki page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemon_battery
"Assuming that zinc and copper electrodes are used (such as a copper coin and a zinc plated nail) then a lemon could generate approximately 0.9 Volts.
The current depends on the size of the electrodes used and the strength of the ion bridge.  As an example, if we make some assumptions about the acidity of the lemon and the size of the electrodes, a current of 0.0003 amperes could be produced"
"Red LED bulb: 1.7 volts x 0.0005 amperes = 0.00085 watts, or three lemons in series"
"Potatoes, apples, sauerkraut, or any other fruit or vegetable containing acid or other electrolyte can be used, but lemons are preferred because of their higher acidity.[6] In potatoes, for instance, the electrolyte is phosphoric acid, while in lemons it is citric acid. Other non-rusty metal combinations (such as magnesium-copper) are more effective; for example, using a magnesium strip instead of zinc increases the voltage from 0.9 volts to 1.3 volts with magnesium."

Couple of interesting tidbits there I suppose

Thinking of ion bridge and salt bridge this is a good page to understand how the separators / bridges work;
http://www.instructables.com/id/Make-Lye-From-Salt-and-Gelatin/
Basically one tube with HCL and one tube with H20; and a NaCl Salt bridge.  Only the Sodium Ions go across the bridge.  Both liquids remain separate in chemistry.  E.G. you can use this for double replacement reactions with 2 or more bridges or (as wiki salt bridge states) control a single replacement from a solution that would otherwise have a double replacement occur.

I tried to find out what's all in Durhams' also.  One art website did categorize it as fairly porous compared to other plasters they'd mentioned.  The website does mention Limestone (CaCO3) and Starch as ingredients.  So assumably the rest is Gypsum (CaSO4).  My guess here then is the CaCO3 possibly involved with the pure Durhams?  I can try making a pure plaster cell to see if just CaSO4 will show a voltage

All the cells seem to be showing similar readings today, still waiting for ringer parts.  I also got a motor from that supplier he'd linked that should work perfect for these cells as well...we shall see  http://www.goldmine-elec-products.com/prodinfo.asp?number=G18072

Sorry to be long again I tend to be wordy and I apologize
Also, please please do not think any info I post is "pooping on a parade".  It truly is not intended
When I research I try to limit variables as much as possible, to make it easier to arrive at / focus on;  what is needed most.  Just passing things along since more minds are always better than one.
Thanks

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PB,I am so glad you are on board with us here.Look at this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPzlv6cvs8A&feature=related
it explains the casimir effect  and why the plates are brought together by quantum pressures outside the plate.I was trying to find another link
I posted earlier that will blow you away.Silica repells the plates.I will try to find it and post again.triffid

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In going over my earilier posts I found one video I posted a link to.   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHhUMnYbQag&feature=related
he got 2.55 volts and 110 mAs.But he uses iron pyrite.PB, I suspect he is not going the direction we want with that.Im still looking for that silica report.triffid

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PB,I think you will really like this guy.I was impressed with his can-do attitude.
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This guy is really creative when it comes to experimenting.Hes melting his alum and epson salts in a large spoon over a candle.And he has a homemade[color=rgb(0, 0, 255) !important]vacuum chamber[/color].  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhIz-DbdDqk&feature=relmfu


same guy using a candle to melt his stuff.Very stable readings too Voltages not jumping all over the place.[size=78%]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESzzjftzGfg&feature=relmfu[/size]




Same guy he makes his own copper sulfate.  [size=78%]http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=egCfD2B5VRw[/size]


I like this guy,Hes more backwoods chemistry than I am.I could learn a lot from him.triffid


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PC and PB ,take a look at this! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tb2IRGXf8o&feature=related  the cells increase in power when we are not around!! Any comment?triffid