Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells

[jbignes5]

I depends on the meteorite..


Check the structure of this piece:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Widmanstatten_hand.jpg

[PhiChaser]

@ IB: If hematite is the material, what about trying hematite rings? (Or are those some kind of ground up-recombined hematite?) Break those rings in half maybe? How well does aluminum work with hematite? Gotta go watch your videos, I haven't had time!!
Bismuth huh? Awesome job! (EDIT: Niiiiice!!! Nevermind the aluminum question...)

Got a bunch of stuff in the mail I ordered today. So far the microamp (0-500uA) meter (vintage triplet) is the only one my cells will move. Lucky I got one of those although I have a sweet vintage Honeywell (0-2.0mA) that I haven't tried out yet but will probably see a lot of use (I hope). Busy RL!! Maybe tomorrow or the weekend will allow more measurements etc.
Happy experimenting everyone,
PC

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[jbignes5]

After looking at several batteries I know think I know whats going on and it agrees with my previous assumptions.


"The action which takes place in an Edison cell, both in charging and discharging, is a transfer of oxygen from one electrode to the other, or from one group of plates to the other, hence this type of cell is sometimes called and oxygenlift cell. In a charged cell the active material of the positive plates is superoxidized, and that of the negative plates is in a spongy or deoxidized state."[/size]

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potassium-ion_battery
http://www.dataweek.co.za/news.aspx?pklNewsID=597&pklCategoryID=31&pklIssueID=40
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_iron_battery

It seems to me that oxygen is the charge carrier and water has oxygen in it. The crystalline water has Highly organized oxygen in it. This organization facilitates a better transfer of the standing potentials present from the electrodes. The oxide layer we were using was making a locked layer of oxygen that did not move completely to the electrode when charged. This allowed the charges to bind to the oxygen and rotate around a center point of the lattice. When the charge on the oxygen comes nearer to the electrode it inductively charges the electrode causing more charge to appear on the electrode via electrostatic charging laws. Charges will shift in the electrode imparting planar voltage levels on the electrodes. One side will be -2 volts and the other side or plane will be +2 volts. I would suggest that we use objects that have an inside and outside, with two planes in parallel.

These batteries are very simple electrostatic devices. Through the electrostatic device it creates a dynamic diode like effect. It indeed works like the video's I showed you earlier with moving oxygen as the vehicle and not the water. The water it seems is the ball bearing and anchor for which the oxygen revolves around and changes the diodes direction. If a third plane was added to the cell it should react much like a transistor does. Hmmm....

[NickZ]

 Although water contain oxygen which is resposible for "OXIDATION" it is also be present in the air, so unless a cell is hermetic it will also absorb oxygen from the air, and that will also create a negative effect in the metals.  The oxide layer may help to protect the metals from the open air, as in an air battery, but I have my doubts about its long lasting effects when salts are used in wet electrolytes in sealed, open, or exposed cells.
I feel that the salts will win in the end, and the metals will be dissolved.  This is what I have seen in my salty environment. Of course, this is only my opinion, which will take some time to prove. But I have not seen any layers or protective galvanizing or anything similar that will work long term when combined with salts and water, or even just air.
  What do you think would happen if you put metals that have the protective oxide layers and are then placed in a concentrated salt solution, and then further exposed to the open air? Mush!  Or not? At least if the cells are sealed they will act more like sealed LAB, that can function for many years.  What are we gaining by it all, when you compared to what you can already buy ready-made?
 
  Ib2:  What is needed is to show that by using only voltage in your cells, something useful can be obtained from it. Not just to dimly blink an led on an oscillator, as that has no useful purpose.  Yes, even trees, and rocks, have some energy to them, but it is all due to what is external to them, and how they all interact with the surrounding field energies.
 
                              NickZ